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Help needed with W4 Step 2(b) calculation - Married with 3 jobs

I'm trying to sort out the W4 form for my husband's new position that he literally started yesterday, which makes things tricky since we can't really use the IRS calculator tool (since he's already working before submitting the W4). My situation: I earn $3450 semi-monthly and my husband has two hourly jobs - the first one pays around $17500 annually and the second about $16000 per year. Currently, I have $245.40 taken out for federal withholding from each of my paychecks. We worked through the worksheet on page 4 of the W4 and calculated $2,775 for step 2a and $2,775 for step 2b. So step 2c equals $5,550. Since I get paid semi-monthly with 24 pay periods annually, the amount for line 2(b) comes out to $231 additional withholding. But here's what's confusing me - will my husband not have standard withholding from his two jobs (the one he started yesterday and the one starting next week)? I'm not sure why I would need to withhold an additional $231 every paycheck on top of the $245.40 I'm already having withheld. And assuming my husband will have some amount withheld from his paychecks too...

The confusion is totally understandable! The W-4 multiple jobs worksheet can be tricky. Here's what's happening: When you're married with multiple jobs, the standard withholding tables don't accurately account for the fact that your combined income pushes you into higher tax brackets. Each employer only knows about the income they pay, not your total household income, so they withhold as if that's your only income. The additional withholding amount ($231) calculated in Step 2(b) is meant to account for this shortfall. Without it, you'd likely be underwithholded and face a tax bill come filing time. Your husband will have standard withholding from both his jobs, but those withholdings will be calculated as if each job is your only household income. You have three options: 1) Add the extra withholding to your W-4 only, 2) Split it between jobs, or 3) Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online once your husband has started both jobs and has a better idea of his actual income.

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Thanks for explaining! So just to make sure I understand - the standard withholding from each of our jobs would be too little because each employer only sees their piece of our income, not the full picture? If we went with option 1 and added all the extra withholding to my W-4, would my husband just check the "Married Filing Jointly" box on his W-4s and leave everything else blank? Or should he do something different?

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That's exactly right! Each employer only sees their piece, so they withhold at lower rates than what applies to your total combined income. This creates the withholding shortfall the worksheet helps correct. If you choose option 1 and add all the extra withholding to your W-4, then your husband would simply check the "Married Filing Jointly" box on his W-4s and leave the other sections blank (unless he wants additional withholding for other reasons). This is often the simplest approach since you only need to make adjustments on one form instead of coordinating across multiple employers.

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Another option nobody mentioned yet - you can use the "Two Earners/Multiple Jobs Worksheet" on the W-4 like you did, but instead of putting all the extra withholding on one job, you could split it between all three jobs. For example, if the total extra withholding needed is $231 per paycheck for you, and your husband gets paid bi-weekly at both jobs, you could do: - Your job: $80 extra withholding - Husband Job 1: $75 extra withholding - Husband Job 2: $76 extra withholding This way no single paycheck takes a big hit. Just make sure the total extra withholding adds up correctly based on how many pay periods each job has annually.

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That's a smart approach! I hadn't thought about splitting it up that way. Do we need to recalculate anything if we split it, or just make sure the total extra withholding across all jobs equals what the worksheet says we need ($5,550 annually in our case)?

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You just need to make sure the total annual extra withholding equals what the worksheet calculated ($5,550 in your case). The key is accounting for different pay frequencies properly. If you get paid semi-monthly (24 times/year), and your husband gets paid bi-weekly (26 times/year) for both his jobs, then you'd divide the $5,550 annual amount across all those paychecks. For example: your job might have $90 extra per check (24 × $90 = $2,160), and each of his jobs might have $65 extra per check (26 × $65 × 2 jobs = $3,380), totaling $5,540 for the year.

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Has anyone tried just using the IRS tax withholding estimator online instead of the worksheet? The worksheet seems super confusing and I've heard the online tool is more accurate.

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The online estimator is definitely better than the worksheet BUT it works best when everyone is already working and has a paycheck stub to reference. In the OP's case where the spouse just started one job and hasn't started the other, the estimator won't have accurate data to work with yet. My suggestion would be to set a calendar reminder to run the withholding estimator after the husband has received at least one paycheck from both jobs. Then you can make more accurate adjustments based on actual withholding rather than estimates.

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I went through this exact same situation last year when my spouse started a second job mid-year! The key thing to remember is that the W-4 multiple jobs worksheet is designed to be conservative - it often results in slightly more withholding than you actually need, but that's better than owing at tax time. Your calculation of $231 extra withholding per paycheck sounds right based on the numbers you provided. And yes, your husband will still have standard withholding from both his jobs - the extra amount you calculated is ON TOP of that standard withholding to account for the fact that your combined income puts you in higher tax brackets than what each employer's withholding tables assume. One thing I'd suggest: since your husband just started and income estimates might change, consider being slightly more conservative with the withholding for the first few months. You can always adjust later using the IRS online estimator once you have actual paystubs from all jobs. Better to get a refund than owe! Also, make sure you're both claiming the correct filing status. If you're going to file jointly, only one of you should claim that status on your W-4s to avoid under-withholding.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now where my partner just got a second job. Quick question about the filing status - if we're married and want to file jointly, should only one of us select "Married filing jointly" on our W-4s? I thought we both should select that option. Can you clarify how that works to avoid the under-withholding you mentioned? Also, when you say "consider being slightly more conservative with the withholding" - do you mean adding maybe $20-30 more per paycheck on top of the calculated $231, or something else?

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