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Foreign owned C-Corp without US-sourced/ECI income - do they need to report income?

So I'm planning to move from Dubai to Sweden in a few months and I currently have a US non-resident LLC for my consulting business. I'm trying to figure out if converting to a C-Corp makes sense tax-wise for my situation. From what I've been researching, a C-Corp that's operated 100% remotely (no physical US presence) without any US clients shouldn't have to report income that isn't effectively connected income (ECI) or US-sourced. Basically, I'm trying to figure out if I can shield myself from corporate tax completely. I know C-Corps typically pay a 21% federal tax rate, but I'm wondering if I can avoid this since all my clients are international and I work completely remotely. The C-Corp technically wouldn't have any US-sourced income or ECI from what I understand. Can anyone tell me if my understanding is correct or if I'm missing something major here? I'm worried there's some tax requirement I'm overlooking. Thanks for any insights!

While foreign-owned C-Corps without US-sourced income do have different reporting requirements, it's not as simple as "no reporting required." Here's what you need to know: Even if your C-Corp doesn't have US-sourced income or effectively connected income (ECI), it still needs to file Form 1120 (U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return) annually. However, if there's truly no ECI, you might report zero taxable income. The big distinction is between having to pay tax versus having to file. More importantly, you should be aware of Form 5472, which is required for foreign-owned US corporations. This form is required even if there are no taxable operations, and penalties for failure to file can be steep ($25,000+). Also consider whether your business activities truly generate no US-sourced income - the IRS definitions can be complex and depend on where services are performed, not just where clients are located.

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Wait, so if I form a C-Corp but have zero US income, I still have to file the 1120 form? What about passive income like interest from a US bank account for the business? Would that count as US income and be taxed? And does the Form 5472 require disclosing all the company's global income or just potential US transactions?

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Yes, you would still need to file Form 1120 even with zero US income - it's a filing requirement regardless of the amount of taxable income. Interest from a US bank account would indeed be considered US-sourced income and would be subject to taxation, typically at a 30% rate unless reduced by a tax treaty. This would be reported on your return and doesn't qualify as ECI unless connected to a US trade or business. Form 5472 doesn't require disclosing all global income - it's primarily focused on reporting transactions between the corporation and related foreign parties (like yourself as the foreign owner). The IRS wants visibility into these relationships even if no US tax is due.

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How does it work with tax treaties? I'm Swedish and thinking about a similar structure, but I'm confused about how the tax treaty with the US would affect my reporting requirements if I own a US C-Corp but live in Sweden.

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Just want to add a warning from personal experience - be very careful with the "management and control" test. I had a Delaware C-Corp while living in Norway, and despite having no US clients or employees, I still got hit with US tax issues because I spent too much time in the US during the year (about 2 months) and was conducting board meetings there. The IRS considered that enough to determine some of our income was US-sourced. It was a nightmare to unravel. Make sure your corporate governance clearly establishes that ALL management decisions happen outside the US.

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How much time can you safely spend in the US as a foreign C-Corp owner before triggering these issues? I travel to the US about once every quarter for conferences but work remotely from Europe the rest of the time.

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There's no exact safe harbor time limit that I know of, but it's not just about physical presence - it's about what you're doing during that time. If you're making major business decisions, conducting board meetings, or signing significant contracts while in the US, that's what can trigger the management and control concerns. For conference travel, I'd recommend documenting clearly that you're there for specific business development purposes, not corporate governance. Keep board meetings and major decisions clearly documented as occurring outside the US. Consider having a written corporate policy that all significant management decisions must be made at your foreign location.

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Has anyone actually tried doing a check-the-box election to be treated as a foreign corporation instead? I've heard this might be simpler than maintaining a US C-Corp if you truly have no US activities.

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I did this last year. Filed Form 8832 to elect to treat my Delaware LLC as a foreign corporation (since I live in Finland). Way less paperwork than maintaining a US C-Corp, but you need to be absolutely certain you have zero US source income. Also, you'll still need to file Form 8858 annually which many people don't realize.

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This is a complex area where small details can have huge tax implications. I went through a similar transition from Dubai to the EU with a US entity, and there are several nuances that aren't immediately obvious. First, even if you have zero US-sourced income, you're absolutely right that Form 1120 filing is still required annually for the C-Corp. But here's what caught me off guard - the "effectively connected income" determination isn't just about where your clients are located, but also includes factors like where you're performing services, where you're making key business decisions, and even where your business bank accounts are located. For someone moving to Sweden specifically, you'll want to pay close attention to the US-Sweden tax treaty provisions. Sweden has a relatively aggressive approach to taxing foreign corporations controlled by Swedish residents, so you might end up with Swedish corporate tax obligations even on your US C-Corp's income. One thing I wish I'd understood earlier: if you're planning to take distributions from the C-Corp as a Swedish resident, you'll likely face Swedish personal income tax on those distributions regardless of whether the underlying corporate income was US-taxed or not. Have you considered whether maintaining the LLC structure might actually be simpler for your situation? The transparency for Swedish tax purposes might be easier to manage than dealing with both US corporate reporting and Swedish CFC rules.

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