Explain self employment taxes to me like I'm five years old - feeling completely lost
Title: Explain self employment taxes to me like I'm five years old - feeling completely lost 1 I'm trying to figure out how self employment taxes work and I'm absolutely clueless. Everything I read says if you make "under $400" as self employed, you don't have to pay taxes. But what does that even mean?? $400 per week? Per month? Per year? Is it before or after expenses? I started doing some freelance graphic design on the side of my college classes and made about $325 last month. I have no idea if I need to be setting money aside for taxes or what forms I need. Why don't they teach this stuff in school?? I'm 22 and feel like a complete idiot because I have zero clue about taxes or adult finances in general. Anyone who can break this down super simply would be my hero right now.
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Madison Tipne
8 The $400 rule refers to your net profit for the entire tax year (so for all of 2024, when you file in 2025). Net profit means what's left after you subtract your business expenses from your business income. So if you earn $5,000 from your graphic design work for the whole year, but spend $1,000 on software, supplies, and other legitimate business expenses, your net profit would be $4,000. Since that's over $400, you'd need to pay self-employment tax. Self-employment tax is basically how you pay Social Security and Medicare taxes when you work for yourself. When you have a regular job, your employer pays half of these taxes. When you're self-employed, you pay both halves, which comes to about 15.3% of your net profit. At your income level, you'll likely use Schedule C to report your business income and expenses, and Schedule SE to calculate your self-employment tax. You'll attach these to your regular Form 1040 when you file.
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•3 Thanks for explaining! So if I made less than $400 for the entire year after expenses, I wouldn't need to file self-employment taxes at all? Also, do I still need to report that income somewhere on my taxes even if I don't pay SE tax on it?
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•8 If your net profit is less than $400 for the entire year, you don't have to pay self-employment tax or file Schedule SE. However, you should still report the income on your regular tax return using Schedule C. Even though you won't owe self-employment tax, that income might still be subject to regular income tax depending on your overall tax situation and other income sources.
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•15 Does it actually help with figuring out if you need to make quarterly payments? That's the part I'm most confused about with my side gig. Also, can it tell me how much I should set aside from each payment I get?
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•7 I'm always skeptical of these tax tools. How is this different from just using TurboTax or something? Does it actually give you different advice based on your situation or is it just generic info?
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•12 Yes, it absolutely helps with quarterly payments! It has a calculator that shows you if you need to make them based on your projected income, and it can even tell you how much to set aside from each payment. That was a huge relief for me because I was totally guessing before. It's completely different from TurboTax in my experience. TurboTax helps you file your taxes, but taxr.ai is more about planning and understanding throughout the year. It gives personalized advice based on your specific situation - like when I uploaded my previous year's documents, it pointed out specific deductions I could take based on my type of freelance work that I had no idea about.
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•9 Wait, so this actually works? I thought it was impossible to reach the IRS by phone these days. How does this service even get you through? Sounds too good to be true honestly.
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•7 I've heard horror stories about the IRS phone system. Why would I pay for a service when I should be able to call them directly? Seems like it's taking advantage of a broken system. Is it even legit?
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Madison Tipne
19 Don't feel bad about not understanding this stuff! I'm 32 and only figured out self-employment taxes last year after getting hit with a huge bill. Here's my super simple explanation: The $400 limit is for the ENTIRE YEAR after your business expenses are subtracted. So if you make $5,000 from freelancing but spend $1,000 on legitimate business expenses, your "net profit" is $4,000. If that net profit is over $400 for the year, you need to pay self-employment tax (which is just Social Security and Medicare taxes). It's about 15.3% of your profit. And yes, it's ridiculous this isn't taught in school! I've learned everything the hard way too.
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Madison Tipne
•1 Thanks for breaking it down! Do you know if I need to make quarterly tax payments? I'm so confused about that part too.
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Madison Tipne
•19 If this is your first year of self-employment, you generally don't have to make quarterly payments. But for next year, if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes, you'll need to make quarterly estimated payments. A good rule of thumb is to set aside 25-30% of your profit for taxes. This covers both the self-employment tax (15.3%) and your regular income tax. You can adjust this based on your personal tax situation.
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4 Does anyone know a good app for tracking self-employment income and expenses? I'm trying to stay organized but my system is basically just a mess of screenshots and notes on my phone right now lol
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Madison Tipne
•16 I use QuickBooks Self-Employed and it's been pretty good. You can link your bank accounts and it helps categorize everything as business or personal. It also calculates your estimated quarterly taxes which helped me a ton with that $400 threshold confusion.
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