Employer refusing to provide EIN number for tax filing - what can I do?
So I've been working at this small business for about 7 months now, and tax season is coming up. I asked my boss for the company's EIN number so I can file my taxes, and she's being super weird about it. First she said she'd "get it to me later," then started avoiding me when I brought it up again. When I finally cornered her yesterday, she said something like "you don't need that for your taxes" which I know is complete BS. I'm paid as a regular W-2 employee (at least that's what I thought), but now I'm wondering if something shady is going on. Shouldn't the EIN be right on my pay stubs anyway? I checked and it's not there. I'm starting to worry that maybe she hasn't been reporting my income or paying employment taxes. Has anyone dealt with this before? What should I do? I need to file my taxes but can't without this information. Would the IRS be able to help me get this information somehow?
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Vincent Bimbach
This is definitely concerning. Your employer is required to provide you with a W-2 form by January 31st that contains their EIN. If you're truly a W-2 employee, there's absolutely no legitimate reason for them to withhold this information. A few things you can do: First, check your most recent paystub again - the EIN is sometimes printed in small text or in an unexpected location. Also check any hiring paperwork you might have. If you still can't find it, be direct with your employer and explain that you legally need a W-2 form with their EIN to file your taxes. You might mention that employers who fail to provide W-2s can face penalties from the IRS. If they continue refusing, this is a red flag that they might be misclassifying you or not properly reporting your wages. In that case, you should contact the IRS directly at 800-829-1040. They can help you file a Form 4852 (Substitute for W-2) if necessary.
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Kelsey Chin
•How long should I wait after January 31st before contacting the IRS? And will this cause problems with my employer if I report them?
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Vincent Bimbach
•I'd give them about two weeks after the January 31st deadline before contacting the IRS. Sometimes there can be legitimate delays in processing W-2s, especially with small businesses. As for causing problems, focus on getting what you need rather than worrying about their reaction. This is your tax liability we're talking about, and you have a right to proper documentation. The IRS typically doesn't immediately tell the employer who reported them, but they will contact the employer about the missing W-2. If your employer retaliates against you for trying to properly file your taxes, that could potentially be illegal depending on your state.
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Norah Quay
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Leo McDonald
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Jessica Nolan
•Sounds fishy... how can a website magically find an EIN that your employer won't give you? Wouldn't they need access to the company's actual tax records?
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Angelina Farar
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Sebastián Stevens
•Wait, so do they just call the IRS for you? How does that even work? I've tried calling the IRS before and it's impossible.
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KingKongZilla
Check your last paystub from December - it usually has the total yearly wages and withholding amounts, and sometimes the EIN is there even if it's not on regular stubs. Also, if you have any health insurance or retirement plan documents from work, the EIN is often listed there.
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Skylar Neal
•I checked my December paystub again and still don't see the EIN. We don't have any benefits - it's a really small company (just 5 employees). I did find some onboarding paperwork but there's no EIN there either. The whole situation just feels off, especially since she tried to tell me I "don't need it" for taxes.
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KingKongZilla
•That's definitely suspicious then. At this point, I'd be preparing for the possibility that she's not properly reporting your income. Start gathering evidence of your employment - save all paystubs, any work emails or texts, and bank deposits showing your income. If you haven't received a W-2 by February 15th, I'd follow the advice others gave about contacting the IRS. They deal with this kind of situation more often than you'd think. Don't let your employer's sketchy behavior prevent you from filing your taxes properly - that could come back to bite you even though it's not your fault.
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Rebecca Johnston
Have you tried just googling your company name + EIN? Many businesses have their EIN listed in public records or business filings. You might get lucky and find it that way without having to confront your employer again.
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Nathan Dell
•This is bad advice. Never just "find" an EIN online and use it on your tax return without confirmation it's correct. If you file with the wrong EIN, it can trigger all kinds of problems with the IRS. The employer is legally required to provide a W-2 with the correct EIN - trying to circumvent this process can create bigger issues.
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Malik Robinson
This situation raises serious red flags about your employment classification and your employer's tax compliance. As others have mentioned, if you're truly a W-2 employee, your employer is legally required to provide you with a W-2 form by January 31st that includes their EIN. The fact that your employer is avoiding this question and claiming "you don't need that for your taxes" suggests they may be: 1. Misclassifying you as an independent contractor when you should be an employee 2. Not properly reporting your wages to the IRS 3. Not paying required employment taxes Here's what I'd recommend: - Document everything: Save all paystubs, work communications, and evidence of your employment relationship - Give them one final written request (email is good for creating a paper trail) asking for your W-2 by the legal deadline - If they don't comply by mid-February, contact the IRS at 800-829-1040 to report the missing W-2 The IRS can help you file Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) if necessary, and they may also investigate your employer's tax compliance. Don't let their non-compliance prevent you from filing your taxes properly - the IRS understands these situations happen and has procedures to help employees deal with uncooperative employers.
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Saanvi Krishnaswami
•This is really solid advice. I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now where my employer has been super dodgy about providing tax documents. The documentation part is so important - I started screenshotting all my direct deposits and saving every text message after I realized something was off. One thing I'd add is to check if your state has a Department of Labor website where you can look up business registrations. Sometimes you can find basic info about whether a company is even properly registered to have employees. In my case, I discovered my "employer" wasn't registered at all, which explained why they were being so weird about the paperwork. @Skylar Neal - definitely don t'let them intimidate you into not filing properly. This is about protecting yourself financially.
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Carlos Mendoza
This is a really concerning situation that unfortunately happens more often than people realize with small businesses. The fact that your employer is actively avoiding providing basic tax documentation is a major red flag. I'd recommend taking a systematic approach: 1. **Document everything immediately** - Screenshot your bank deposits, save all pay stubs, and keep records of every conversation about this issue. If you have any written job offer or employment agreement, save that too. 2. **Send one final written request** - Email your employer requesting your W-2 by January 31st (the legal deadline). Be polite but firm, and mention that you need it to file your taxes on time. This creates a paper trail. 3. **Check your employment status** - Based on your description, I suspect you might actually be classified as a 1099 contractor rather than a W-2 employee. This would explain why there's no EIN on your pay stubs and why she's being evasive. 4. **Contact the IRS if needed** - If you don't receive proper documentation by mid-February, call the IRS at 800-829-1040. They can help you file Form 4852 (substitute W-2) and may investigate your employer's compliance. The bottom line is that legitimate employers don't act this way. Whether you're W-2 or 1099, you have a right to proper tax documentation. Don't let their sketchy behavior prevent you from filing your taxes correctly - that could create problems for you down the line.
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Mei Chen
•This is exactly the kind of comprehensive approach that works. I went through something similar with a previous employer who kept giving me the runaround about tax documents. The documentation step is absolutely crucial - I wish I had started keeping records earlier in the process. One thing that really helped me was creating a simple timeline of all the interactions with my employer about this issue. Dates, what was said, who was present, etc. When I eventually had to contact the IRS, having that clear timeline made the conversation much more productive. @Skylar Neal - Carlos s'point about checking your actual employment status is spot on. If you re'being paid as a contractor but treated like an employee set (schedule, using company equipment, can t'work for competitors, etc. ,)that s'called misclassification and it s'a big deal. The IRS takes this stuff seriously because it affects tax revenue. Also, don t'feel bad about potentially getting "your employer in trouble -" you re'just trying to file your taxes correctly, which is your legal obligation. If they re'doing everything properly, an IRS inquiry won t'be a problem for them.
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Jacob Lewis
This situation is definitely not normal, and your instincts are right to be concerned. As a W-2 employee, you should absolutely have access to your employer's EIN - it's required information for your tax filing. A few immediate steps I'd suggest: **First, determine your actual employment status.** If you're truly a W-2 employee, the EIN should be on your paystubs, and you should receive a W-2 by January 31st. The fact that it's missing from your paystubs and your employer is being evasive suggests you might actually be classified as a 1099 contractor, even if that wasn't made clear to you initially. **Document everything now.** Save all your paystubs, screenshot your direct deposits, and keep records of these conversations with your employer. If this turns into an IRS issue, you'll need proof of your employment and income. **Give them one final deadline.** Send a polite but firm email requesting your W-2 (if you're an employee) or 1099 (if you're a contractor) by the legal deadline of January 31st. This creates a paper trail. **Know your backup options.** If they don't provide proper documentation, the IRS can help you file Form 4852 (substitute W-2) or guide you through filing as a contractor. Don't let their non-compliance prevent you from filing your taxes properly. The bottom line is that legitimate employers don't behave this way. Whether there's intentional tax evasion or just poor record-keeping, you need to protect yourself and ensure you're filing correctly with the IRS.
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Yara Khoury
•This is really comprehensive advice, Jacob. The point about determining actual employment status first is crucial - I've seen so many people get caught off guard when they think they're W-2 employees but are actually being treated as contractors. @Skylar Neal - One thing that might help clarify your situation: look at how much control your employer has over your work. Do they set your schedule, tell you exactly how to do tasks, provide equipment, and restrict you from working elsewhere? If yes, you re'probably misclassified as a contractor when you should be an employee. If you have more freedom in how/when you work, you might legitimately be a contractor. The email documentation Jacob mentioned is spot-on. I d'also suggest keeping a simple log of when you ve'asked for this information and what responses you got. Even if it s'just Boss "avoided me again when I brought up W-2 -" dates and details matter if this escalates. Don t'let them make you feel like you re'being difficult. Getting proper tax documentation is your right, not a favor they re'doing you.
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Jace Caspullo
This is a concerning situation that unfortunately indicates your employer may not be handling payroll taxes properly. The EIN (Employer Identification Number) should definitely be visible on your paystubs if you're a legitimate W-2 employee - there's no valid reason to hide this information. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: **Check your actual employment classification.** The fact that there's no EIN on your paystubs and your employer is being evasive suggests you might actually be classified as a 1099 independent contractor rather than a W-2 employee, even if this wasn't clearly communicated to you when you were hired. **Gather all documentation now.** Save every paystub, screenshot your direct deposits, and keep records of all conversations about this issue. If you need to involve the IRS later, having this documentation will be crucial. **Send one final written request.** Email your employer requesting your proper tax forms (W-2 if you're an employee, 1099-NEC if you're a contractor) by the January 31st deadline. Be professional but clear that you need this to file your taxes legally. **Know your options if they don't comply.** The IRS has procedures for situations like this. You can file Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) if you're supposed to be getting a W-2, or they can help guide you through proper filing as a contractor. Don't let their unprofessional behavior prevent you from filing your taxes correctly. The IRS deals with uncooperative employers regularly and has systems in place to help employees in your situation.
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Isaiah Cross
•This is excellent advice, and I really appreciate how you've broken down the steps so clearly. I'm actually in my first year of working full-time and had no idea about a lot of this stuff. The point about checking my actual classification really hit home - looking back, I realize I never got any formal paperwork saying I was a W-2 employee. My boss just said "you'll be on payroll" when she hired me, but now I'm wondering if that actually meant something different than what I assumed. I'm definitely going to send that email request this week. Do you think I should mention anything about the IRS procedures in the email, or would that come across as too threatening? I don't want to make the situation worse, but I also need to get this resolved. Thanks for the reality check about not letting their behavior prevent proper filing - I was honestly starting to worry that maybe I was being too pushy about this.
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