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Does Section 754 step up apply when new partner assumes existing partner's debt without cash payment?

I'm dealing with a partnership tax situation that I can't seem to find a clear answer on, and I'm hoping someone might have some experience with this. My question relates to Section 754 elections when a partnership interest transfers but no actual cash changes hands. Here's my situation: We have a partnership where one partner is exiting, and a new partner is coming in. But instead of paying cash for the partnership interest, the new partner is simply assuming the departing partner's debt/liability in the partnership. I'm trying to determine if we can make a Section 754 election in this scenario to step up the basis of partnership assets. Most of the examples I've seen involve a cash purchase price, but our situation doesn't involve any cash payment - just the assumption of debt. Has anyone dealt with a similar situation or know how the Section 754 election rules apply when the consideration is purely assumption of debt rather than cash? I've been going through the regs but haven't found a definitive answer. Thanks in advance for any insights or resources you can share!

Paolo Marino

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I've worked with quite a few partnership transfers and can confirm that a Section 754 election should still be available in your situation. The key here isn't whether cash changes hands, but whether there's been a "sale or exchange" of a partnership interest that results in a basis difference. When a new partner assumes the debt obligation of a departing partner, this is still considered a transfer of partnership interest for tax purposes. The amount of the debt being assumed effectively becomes the "purchase price" for calculating the basis adjustment under 743(b). The incoming partner's outside basis would include the debt they're assuming, and if this creates a difference between that outside basis and their share of inside basis in partnership assets, that's exactly what the 754 election is designed to address. Just make sure you properly document the debt assumption and the transfer of interest. The partnership will need to file the 754 election with its tax return for the year in which the transfer occurs.

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Amina Bah

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Thanks for your explanation! Quick question though - does the fact that the partnership likely has recourse debt impact this at all? And second, would the inside basis adjustment be limited to just the new partner's proportionate share?

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Paolo Marino

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The nature of the debt (recourse vs. nonrecourse) doesn't affect the availability of the 754 election itself, though it does impact how the debt is treated for other partnership tax purposes. The adjustment is still available regardless of debt type as long as there's a qualifying transfer of interest. The inside basis adjustment is indeed limited to the transferee partner's proportionate share of partnership assets. This is a key aspect of 743(b) adjustments - they only apply to the incoming partner, not the entire partnership. The adjustment essentially creates a "special basis" for the incoming partner to avoid duplicate taxation or unintended tax benefits.

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Oliver Becker

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I'm curious - does this service actually review the actual partnership documents or just provide generic guidance? Partnership tax can get pretty complicated with all the special allocations and different types of debt.

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Oliver Becker

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Emma Davis

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LunarLegend

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Malik Jackson

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Malik Jackson

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One aspect I'm not seeing addressed here is whether the partnership has existing Section 704(c) built-in gain or loss that might interact with your basis adjustment calculation. If you have property with significant disparities between book and tax basis, this can complicate the Section 754 calculation, especially when debt is involved. In one of our partnerships, we had a similar situation with debt assumption, and we found that the Section 743(b) adjustment had to factor in the existing 704(c) layers. Might be worth checking if that applies to your specific assets.

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That's a great point I hadn't considered. Our partnership does have some properties with significant book/tax disparities from a prior contribution. Do you know if the calculation methodology changes significantly when 704(c) is involved with debt assumption transfers?

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Yes, the calculation definitely gets more complex when 704(c) built-in gain/loss is involved. With debt assumption transfers, you need to carefully analyze how the 704(c) layers affect the transferee partner's share of inside basis. Essentially, you'll need to determine the transferee's share of inside basis taking into account both the regular common basis and the Section 704(c) tax allocations. This becomes your starting point for calculating the 743(b) adjustment. The adjustment amount would be the difference between the transferee's outside basis (which includes the assumed debt) and this calculated inside basis share. It's definitely more complicated than standard situations, so professional assistance might be warranted.

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Ravi Patel

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Don't forget about the Section 755 considerations too. Once you determine that you can make the 754 election and calculate the overall basis adjustment, you still need to properly allocate that adjustment among partnership assets according to Section 755 rules. With debt assumption, this can get particularly tricky if the debt is associated with specific assets within the partnership. The regulations generally require allocation first between ordinary income and capital gain property classes, then within those classes according to relative fair market values.

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I recently screwed this up by not considering the Section 755 allocation rules on a similar transaction. Cost my client some immediate tax benefits because we didn't properly allocate enough basis adjustment to depreciable assets. Make sure you get this part right!

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Mei-Ling Chen

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Thanks everyone for the incredibly detailed responses! This has been exactly what I needed. Based on all the feedback, it sounds like the Section 754 election is definitely available in our debt assumption scenario, which is a relief. A few follow-up questions based on the discussion: 1. @Paolo Marino - when you mention "properly documenting the debt assumption," are there specific forms or statements that need to be attached to the partnership return beyond the standard Section 754 election statement? 2. @Isabella Oliveira - we do have some Section 704(c) built-in gain from contributed property. Do you have any recommendations for resources that walk through the interaction between 704(c) and 743(b) adjustments? This seems like where I might need to bring in additional expertise. 3. @Ravi Patel - great point on Section 755. Our partnership has both depreciable real estate and some intangible assets. Is there a standard methodology for determining fair market values for the allocation, or does this typically require formal appraisals? This community has been incredibly helpful - I feel much more confident about moving forward with the election now. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to share their experiences!

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Welcome to the community! I'm new here too but have been following this thread closely as I'm dealing with a similar partnership situation. @Mei-Ling Chen - regarding your question about Section 755 fair market value determinations, in my limited experience we ve'found that formal appraisals aren t'always required if the values are reasonably determinable from other sources. For real estate, recent comparable sales or property tax assessments can sometimes suffice. For intangibles, it gets trickier and might warrant professional valuation depending on materiality. One thing I d'add to this great discussion - have you considered the timing implications? I believe the Section 754 election needs to be made by the due date including (extensions of) the partnership return for the year of transfer. Just want to make sure you don t'miss any deadlines while working through all these technical details! This has been such an educational thread to follow. Thanks to everyone for sharing their expertise!

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GalaxyGlider

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who's dealt with several partnership transfers involving debt assumptions, I wanted to add a practical tip that might help @StardustSeeker and others in similar situations. One thing I've learned is to pay close attention to the partnership agreement's provisions regarding transfers and debt assumptions. Sometimes there are specific clauses that can affect how the Section 754 election is calculated, especially if the agreement has special allocation provisions or restrictions on transfer rights. Also, regarding the timing that @Amara Oluwaseyi mentioned - it's worth noting that once you make a Section 754 election, it generally applies to all future transfers unless you get IRS permission to revoke it. So make sure you're comfortable with the ongoing compliance burden, as you'll need to make basis adjustments for all subsequent partnership interest transfers. The interaction between debt assumption and the election is definitely well-established in the regulations, so you're on solid ground there. Just make sure your documentation clearly shows the connection between the debt being assumed and the partnership interest being transferred. Good luck with your transaction!

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Mikayla Brown

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Thanks for the practical insights @GalaxyGlider! That's a really important point about the ongoing compliance burden of Section 754 elections. I hadn't fully considered that once you make the election, you're committed to doing basis adjustments on all future transfers. Quick question - when you mention documentation showing the connection between debt assumption and the partnership interest transfer, what specific documents have you found most important? I'm thinking the partnership agreement, debt assumption agreement, and transfer documentation, but wondering if there are other key pieces the IRS typically looks for. Also, has anyone dealt with situations where the assumed debt amount differs significantly from the departing partner's capital account balance? I'm wondering if that creates any additional complexities for the basis adjustment calculation that we should be aware of. This thread has been incredibly educational - really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experience with these complex partnership tax issues!

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