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Paolo Rizzo

Do estates have to pay penalties for missing quarterly tax payments?

So I'm dealing with my uncle's estate after he passed away last month. The lawyer mentioned something about quarterly tax payments that are due for the estate's income, and now I'm freaking out because we definitely haven't made any payments yet. This is all so new to me. The estate has some rental properties that are generating about $4,500 per month in income, plus there are dividends from his investment accounts coming in. The lawyer said something about form 1041 and that estates are treated as separate taxpayers? I guess my main question is: if we haven't made these quarterly estimated tax payments, are we going to get hit with penalties? And how do we figure out how much we should have been paying? The first quarterly deadline might have already passed and I'm really worried about messing this up.

QuantumQuest

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Yes, estates are treated as separate taxpayers and need to file Form 1041 (U.S. Income Tax Return for Estates and Trusts). Regarding estimated tax payments - estates are required to make quarterly estimated tax payments if they expect to owe at least $1,000 in tax for the year after subtracting withholdings and credits. Given the monthly rental income of $4,500 plus dividends, the estate will likely have a tax liability exceeding $1,000, so quarterly payments would typically be required. The IRS does impose penalties for underpayment of estimated taxes, calculated based on the underpayment amount and how long it remained unpaid. But don't panic - there are some exceptions. For example, if this is the first year of the estate, there's no penalty if the executor had no tax liability in the previous year. Also, penalties can be waived for reasonable cause or if you meet certain payment thresholds.

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Amina Sy

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Thanks for the info. What exactly counts as "reasonable cause" for waiving penalties? And how do I calculate how much I should be paying quarterly? Is it just a straight percentage of income or do I need to factor in deductions?

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QuantumQuest

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Reasonable cause generally means circumstances beyond your control prevented compliance - things like death, serious illness, unavoidable absence, or inability to access records. The IRS evaluates these on a case-by-case basis. Simply being unaware of the requirement typically doesn't qualify. For calculating quarterly payments, you have two methods. The safe harbor method is to pay either 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of the previous year's tax (110% if the estate's income was over $150,000). Alternatively, you can calculate based on actual income for each quarter, accounting for deductions, exemptions, and credits - this is called the annualized income installment method and requires Form 2210.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if the estate will be open less than two years, you might want to elect a fiscal year instead of calendar year for the estate's tax purposes. This can sometimes help with tax planning and give you more time to make those estimated payments. For example, if your uncle died in April 2025, you could choose a fiscal year ending March 31, which would give you until July 15, 2026 to file the first Form 1041 instead of April 15, 2026. This can be especially helpful with those quarterly payment deadlines.

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Can you explain more about how to elect a fiscal year? Does it have to be done on the first 1041 or can I change it later? Also, does this change when the estimated payments are due?

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You elect a fiscal year by filing the first Form 1041 by the 15th day of the 4th month after the end of the tax year you choose. So if you select a fiscal year ending March 31, you'd need to file by July 15. This election must be made on the first 1041 - you can't change it later. Yes, this does change when estimated payments are due. They would be due on the 15th day of the 4th, 6th, 9th, and 12th months of your fiscal year. So if your fiscal year ends March 31, the quarterly payment due dates would be July 15, September 15, December 15, and March 15. This can give you more breathing room to gather information and make proper calculations.

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Wait, I'm confused about who actually pays the tax. Is it the estate itself or do all tax liabilities just pass through to the beneficiaries? I'm the sole beneficiary of my mom's estate and I'm getting tax documents both in her name and in the estate's name.

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Omar Farouk

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It depends on the type of income. The estate pays tax on income generated by assets still held in the estate. Once assets are distributed to beneficiaries, any income those assets generate is taxed to the beneficiaries. Also, some income might be "income in respect of a decedent" which has special rules. Your situation as sole beneficiary might be simpler, but you still need to distinguish between estate income and your personal income.

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Diego Mendoza

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I just went through this exact situation with my father's estate last year, so I completely understand your stress! Here's what I learned that might help: First, yes, you likely need to make quarterly estimated payments since $4,500/month in rental income plus dividends will almost certainly put the estate over the $1,000 threshold. But here's some good news - if this is the first tax year for your uncle's estate (which it sounds like it is), you may qualify for exceptions to penalties. The key dates for 2025 quarterly payments are April 15, June 16, September 15, and January 15, 2026. If you missed the April deadline, don't panic yet. You might be able to use the "annualized income installment method" if the estate's income varies throughout the year, which could reduce or eliminate penalties for early quarters with lower income. For calculating payments, I'd recommend the safe harbor approach: pay 100% of what the estate's tax liability will be for 2025 (or 110% if the estate's adjusted gross income exceeds $150,000). You can estimate this by calculating the estate's expected net income and applying the estate tax rates. Also, make sure you're only counting income that actually belongs to the estate - not income that passes directly to beneficiaries. Rental income from properties still in the estate counts, but be careful about how you handle the dividends depending on when they were earned. Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in estate taxation - the penalty relief options and calculation methods can be complex, and getting it right the first time will save you headaches later.

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster but dealing with my grandmother's estate. One question - you mentioned the "annualized income installment method" for estates with varying income. How do you actually calculate this? The rental income is pretty steady month to month, but there are some larger dividend payments that only come quarterly, plus we had to sell some stocks that created capital gains. Would this method help reduce penalties for the earlier quarters when we hadn't received those bigger payments yet?

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Ruby Blake

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Great question! The annualized income installment method can definitely help in your situation with uneven income flows. Here's how it works: You calculate your actual income for each quarter, then annualize it (multiply by 4 for Q1, by 2 for Q2, by 4/3 for Q3, etc.) to project what your full-year income would be based on that quarter alone. Then you calculate the tax on that annualized amount and divide by 4 to get your required quarterly payment. In your case, this could be really beneficial! If Q1 only had rental income and smaller dividends, your required Q1 payment would be much lower than if you used the safe harbor method based on the full year's income including those big quarterly dividends and capital gains. You'll need to use Form 2210 Schedule AI to make these calculations, and you'll need to track income by quarter carefully. The tricky part is properly allocating income to the right quarters - dividend payment dates matter, and for capital gains, it's usually when the sale was completed. One heads up though - this method requires more detailed record-keeping and can be complex to calculate correctly. But if you have significantly uneven income like you described, it could save you substantial penalties on those early quarters. Just make sure you have good documentation of when each income item was actually received by the estate.

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Carmen Ruiz

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I see a lot of great advice here about quarterly payments and penalties, but I want to emphasize something crucial that could save you significant stress and money: get professional help NOW rather than trying to figure this out yourself. Estate taxation has so many moving parts - determining what income belongs to the estate vs. beneficiaries, calculating estimated payments correctly, understanding Income in Respect of Decedent rules, choosing between calendar and fiscal years, etc. One mistake can cost thousands in penalties or missed deductions. Since you mentioned the estate has rental properties generating $4,500/month plus investment dividends, you're looking at substantial income that definitely triggers quarterly payment requirements. The fact that you're already past the April 15 deadline means time is of the essence for penalty mitigation strategies. I'd strongly recommend finding a CPA or tax attorney who specializes in estate and trust taxation. Yes, it's an upfront cost, but they can often save you more than their fee through proper planning, penalty abatements, and identifying deductions you'd miss on your own. They can also help you set up systems to handle ongoing quarterly payments properly. Don't let the complexity overwhelm you - this is a common situation and there are professionals who handle it routinely. The key is acting quickly since tax deadlines don't wait for anyone to get up to speed.

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Noah Irving

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I completely agree with getting professional help, but I also understand the hesitation about costs when you're already dealing with attorney fees. What I found helpful was getting a consultation first to understand the scope of what needed to be done, then handling some of the simpler tasks myself while having the professional focus on the complex stuff. For example, I was able to gather all the income documentation and basic calculations myself, then had the CPA review everything and handle the actual Form 1041 preparation and estimated payment calculations. This hybrid approach saved me money while still ensuring I didn't miss anything critical. Also, many CPAs who specialize in estate work offer fixed-fee packages for estate tax returns rather than hourly billing, which can be more predictable than the attorney's hourly rates. Just make sure whoever you choose has specific experience with estate taxation - regular tax preparers often aren't familiar with the nuances of Form 1041 and estate-specific rules. The peace of mind is definitely worth it, especially when you're dealing with rental properties and investment income that create ongoing quarterly obligations.

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Laura Lopez

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I'm dealing with a similar situation after my grandmother passed three months ago, and I wanted to share what I've learned that might help. The estate has been generating income from her rental property and some stock dividends, and I was initially terrified about the quarterly payment requirements. First, don't panic about missing the April deadline - there are several penalty relief options available, especially for first-year estates. I was able to get penalties waived by demonstrating that as a first-time executor, I had reasonable cause for the delay while learning about these requirements. One thing that really helped me was understanding that you have options for calculating the payments. The safe harbor method (paying 100% of current year liability or 100%/110% of prior year) gives you certainty, but if your uncle had little to no tax liability in his final year, the annualized income method might work better given the uneven nature of estate income. Also, make sure you're properly distinguishing between income that belongs to the estate versus income that should be reported by beneficiaries. This was a major source of confusion for me initially. Rental income from properties still held by the estate definitely counts, but the treatment of dividends depends on several factors including when they were declared and paid. I'd strongly suggest getting at least a consultation with a CPA who specializes in estate taxes. Even if you handle some of the legwork yourself, having someone review your approach can prevent costly mistakes. The quarterly payment system continues as long as the estate remains open, so getting it right from the start is crucial.

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This is such helpful advice, thank you! I'm actually in a very similar boat - my aunt passed away two months ago and left me as executor of her estate. She had rental income and some dividend-paying stocks, and I had no idea about these quarterly payment requirements until last week when I finally met with her accountant. I'm curious about the penalty waiver you mentioned for first-time executors. Did you have to file a specific form or just write a letter explaining the situation? I'm already past the April deadline and getting worried about accumulating penalties while I'm still trying to figure out what the estate even owns. Also, when you say "income that belongs to the estate versus income that should be reported by beneficiaries" - how do you make that determination? I'm the sole beneficiary, but the estate is still open and I haven't distributed any assets yet. Does that mean all the income should be reported on the estate's 1041 for now?

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