Do Tax Liens automatically disappear after 10 years? Need help understanding
I'm trying to help my aunt navigate a complex tax situation. She and her ex-husband have about $230k in unpaid taxes from 2017, 2018, and 2019, which has resulted in liens on her primary residence and his two rental properties. She's still on the mortgage for all three properties, which complicates everything. My aunt primarily lives on distributions from her 401k these days. She consulted with a tax attorney who suggested she might consider waiting out the 10-year period for the tax debt to expire. I'm trying to understand if this is legitimate advice or if there's something we're missing. Does anyone know if tax liens really just disappear after 10 years? Are there exceptions or ways the IRS can extend this period? I'm concerned that this "wait it out" approach might backfire and want to make sure we're considering all options before she commits to this strategy. She's in her late 60s and is stressed about potentially losing her home.
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
The 10-year statute of limitations is real, but it's more complicated than just waiting it out. The IRS generally has 10 years from the date of assessment to collect tax debt (called the Collection Statute Expiration Date or CSED). After that time, the debt is typically considered uncollectible and the lien should be released. However, there are several important caveats your aunt should be aware of: 1. The IRS can and often does extend this 10-year period in various situations - if your aunt files bankruptcy, leaves the country for an extended period, enters into certain payment agreements, files for innocent spouse relief, or even just requests a Collection Due Process hearing. 2. The IRS may file suit to collect the taxes before the CSED expires, which could result in a judgment that lasts much longer than the original 10 years. 3. The IRS can refile the lien during the 10-year period, which can extend its effectiveness.
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Dylan Mitchell
So does that mean if you enter into a payment plan with the IRS, you're actually extending the amount of time they have to collect? That seems counterintuitive. What about partial payments or offers in compromise?
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
Yes, certain payment arrangements can extend the collection statute. For installment agreements that involve partial payments (PPIA), the IRS typically requires you to waive the statute of limitations, essentially giving them more time to collect the full amount. For Offers in Compromise, the statute is suspended (paused) during the time the IRS is considering your offer, plus an additional 30 days. If the offer is rejected and you appeal, the suspension continues throughout the appeal process. This can add months or even years to the 10-year period.
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Sofia Gutierrez
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Dmitry Petrov
Did they help with figuring out if you qualified for any relief programs? My parents are in a similar situation but my mom had no idea what was happening with the finances during those years.
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StarSurfer
How accurate was their assessment compared to what actually happened? Tax stuff always seems so unpredictable and I've been burned by "experts" before who missed important details.
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Sofia Gutierrez
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Dmitry Petrov
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Ava Martinez
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Zainab Abdulrahman
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Ava Martinez
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Zainab Abdulrahman
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Connor Byrne
My father-in-law went through something similar. His tax attorney actually recommended an Offer in Compromise instead of waiting out the 10 years. He ended up settling about $175k in tax debt for around $30k. The catch was that he had to prove he couldn't reasonably pay the full amount before the CSED expired based on his age and limited income potential. One thing to consider is that while the liens may expire, if your aunt's ex-husband sells those rental properties before the 10 years are up, the IRS will take their cut from the proceeds. Also, the liens impact credit scores and ability to refinance, which might be more costly over 10 years than addressing it proactively.
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Yara Elias
How much did the tax attorney charge for handling the Offer in Compromise? I've heard they can be pretty expensive and wasn't sure if it's worth it.
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Connor Byrne
The attorney charged $5,000 for the OIC process, but that included everything from preparation to negotiation with the IRS. Considering they saved him around $145k, it was definitely worth it. Some people try to file OICs themselves, but the acceptance rate is much lower for self-prepared offers. The attorney knew exactly how to value assets, calculate future income potential, and present the most compelling case. The process took about 8 months from start to finish, and they handled all communication with the IRS during that time, which was a huge stress relief.
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QuantumQuasar
Just want to point out that the IRS can refile the Notice of Federal Tax Lien during the 10-year period, which extends the time the lien affects your aunt's credit report and encumbers the property. Also, if the IRS files suit before the CSED expires, they can get a judgment that lasts WAY longer than 10 years. My suggestion would be to at least explore an installment agreement that your aunt can afford. Even small payments show good faith and might prevent the IRS from taking more aggressive collection actions while you figure out a long-term strategy. Just be aware that some installment agreements require you to extend the CSED.
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Keisha Jackson
But if she's only living on retirement income, isn't that protected from IRS garnishment anyway? I thought IRAs and 401ks had some special protection.
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Derek Olson
@Keisha Jackson You re'partially right, but it s'not that simple. While 401k funds are generally protected from creditors while they re'IN the account, once distributed they become regular income that the IRS can levy. The IRS has broad collection powers and can garnish wages, bank accounts, and other income sources. However, there are some protections for retirees. Social Security benefits have strong protections though (the IRS can still levy them in certain cases ,)and there are necessary "living expense allowances" that might protect some retirement income. But if your aunt has significant assets like the house she lives in, the IRS could potentially force a sale to satisfy the debt. This is exactly why getting professional advice is so important - the interaction between retirement income, asset protection, and tax collection is complex and very fact-specific.
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TommyKapitz
I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned enough in this thread - the importance of getting the EXACT assessment dates for each tax year from the IRS. Many people assume the CSED is calculated from when they filed their return or when the IRS sent notices, but it's actually calculated from the assessment date, which can be different. Your aunt should request Account Transcripts for each tax year (2017, 2018, 2019) directly from the IRS. These will show the precise assessment dates and any tolling events that have already occurred. You can get these online at irs.gov, by calling the IRS, or by mailing Form 4506-T. Given the complexity of her situation with multiple properties and an ex-husband involved, there's a real possibility that some years have different CSEDs due to amended returns, audit adjustments, or other factors. I've seen cases where people thought they had 2-3 years left to wait, only to discover that one tax year was actually expiring much sooner or had already been extended. Another critical point: if your aunt passes away before the CSED expires, the tax debt becomes a claim against her estate. At her age, this is unfortunately something to consider in the planning process. The liens would attach to her assets and could force the sale of her home to satisfy the debt. Before committing to any strategy, I'd really recommend she get those transcripts and have a qualified tax professional review them. The peace of mind from knowing exactly where she stands timeline-wise is worth the effort.
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CosmicCrusader
This is such an important point about getting the actual assessment dates! I made this exact mistake when I first started researching my own tax lien situation. I was calculating everything from when I received the first notice, but it turns out the assessment date was actually several months earlier, which shortened my timeline significantly. The point about estate implications is sobering but necessary to consider. At her age, having a clear understanding of how this debt would affect her heirs is crucial for proper estate planning. It might actually make a settlement or Currently Not Collectible status even more attractive if it provides certainty for her beneficiaries. One question about the Account Transcripts - when you request them, do they show tolling events clearly, or do you need to know what to look for? I'm worried about missing something important when reviewing them, especially given how complex the rules around statute extensions seem to be.
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