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Ethan Brown

Do Section 1256 contract losses offset capital gains from regular investments?

So I've been investing for a few years and made about $13k in long-term investments from some tech stocks I bought a while back. Recently, I decided to try my hand at futures trading thinking I could make some faster gains. Well... that was a bad idea lol. I've managed to lose about $13k with these futures contracts over the past couple months. I'm trying to understand my tax situation now - will these futures losses (Section 1256 contracts I think they're called?) completely offset the $13k gains I made from my initial stock investments? Or are they treated differently for tax purposes since futures aren't the same as regular stocks? I'm pretty confused about how this works.

Yuki Yamamoto

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Yes, your Section 1256 contract losses can indeed offset your capital gains from stocks. Section 1256 contracts include regulated futures contracts, foreign currency contracts, non-equity options, dealer equity options, and dealer securities futures contracts. The interesting part about Section 1256 contracts is they receive special tax treatment - they're marked-to-market at year end and treated as 60% long-term and 40% short-term capital gains/losses regardless of how long you've held them. This is known as the 60/40 rule. When you file your taxes, you'll report your Section 1256 contract trading on Form 6781, and the resulting gain or loss will flow to Schedule D where it can offset your other capital gains. In your case, your $13k loss from futures trading should offset your $13k gain from stocks, essentially zeroing out your capital gains tax liability.

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Ethan Brown

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Thanks for the explanation! So just to make sure I understand - even though my original gains were from long-term stock investments (held for over a year), and the futures losses were from trading I did over just the last couple months, the futures losses will still completely offset my stock gains? Also, this Form 6781 sounds complicated. Do most tax software programs handle this automatically or should I be looking for a tax professional this year?

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Yuki Yamamoto

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The Section 1256 contract losses will offset your long-term capital gains, but the way it's calculated is a bit nuanced. Since Section 1256 losses are treated as 60% long-term and 40% short-term, that 60% portion will directly offset your long-term gains, while the 40% short-term portion will offset any short-term gains you have or can offset your long-term gains if you don't have short-term gains. Most consumer tax software like TurboTax, H&R Block, and TaxAct can handle Form 6781 and Section 1256 contracts. You'll just need to input your trading information correctly. If you made numerous trades, it might be worth consulting with a tax professional, but if you just have the one overall loss amount, the software should be adequate.

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Carmen Ortiz

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I was in a similar situation last year and found a really helpful tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that saved me SO much headache with figuring out my Section 1256 contracts and capital gains situation. I was trading futures through Interactive Brokers and had no idea how to properly report everything until I uploaded my statements to their system. Their AI analyzed all my trading statements and properly categorized everything - it even handled the 60/40 split for Section 1256 contracts automatically and filled out the Form 6781 for me. Honestly it was way easier than trying to manually calculate everything or explain it all to my accountant who wasn't familiar with futures trading.

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Did it actually work for complicated situations? I have futures, options, and regular stock trades across multiple brokers (TD Ameritrade, Tastyworks, and a small crypto exchange). Would this handle all that or just the basics?

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Zoe Papadakis

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I'm skeptical about these AI tax tools. How accurate is it really? I had a tax preparer mess up my 1256 contracts a few years ago and I ended up getting a letter from the IRS. Not eager to repeat that experience with some AI...

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Carmen Ortiz

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It absolutely handles complicated situations with multiple brokers! I had trades across three different platforms and it consolidated everything perfectly - even matched up my transfers between brokers so they weren't counted as sales. It's specifically designed for complex trading scenarios like futures, options, and crypto. As for accuracy, I was skeptical too after getting burned in the past. What convinced me was that it shows its work - you can see exactly how it's calculating everything and it provides references to the specific tax codes. My CPA actually reviewed it afterward and was impressed with how it handled the 60/40 split for Section 1256 contracts. No issues with the IRS and I've been using it for two tax seasons now.

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Zoe Papadakis

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I have to admit I was completely wrong about taxr.ai. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was dreading doing my taxes with all my futures trading from last year. I uploaded my statements from TD Ameritrade and it correctly identified all my Section 1256 contracts, calculated the 60/40 split, and prepared all the right forms. What really impressed me was how it handled my wash sales across different securities and even detected a reporting error from my broker. It saved me from a potential audit flag! The system even explained the tax implications of my futures losses offsetting my stock gains in plain English. Definitely using this again next year.

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Jamal Carter

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If you're trying to get clarity directly from the IRS on Section 1256 contracts and how they offset capital gains, good luck getting through to them! I spent literally WEEKS trying to get someone on the phone who understood futures contracts. After being on hold for hours and transferred 4 times during each call, I found this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that got me through to an IRS agent in under 20 minutes. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that my Section 1256 losses would offset my capital gains and gave me specific guidance on filling out Form 6781. Was worth every penny to avoid the hold music and automated system hell. They basically call the IRS for you and then connect you once they get through to a human.

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How does this actually work though? The IRS phone system is completely broken - I tried calling 12 times last month. Is this some kind of priority line or something?

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Zoe Papadakis

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Sorry, but this sounds like complete BS. Nobody gets through to the IRS in 20 minutes. I've tried calling them about my Section 1256 contracts before and ended up waiting over 2 hours only to get disconnected. You're telling me this service magically solves that?

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Jamal Carter

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It works by using technology to navigate the IRS phone tree and wait on hold for you. They have some system that dials and redials using optimal timing strategies based on call volume patterns. Once they get through to an actual IRS representative, they call you and connect you to that person who's already on the line. I was extremely skeptical too! I tried calling the IRS six times myself before giving up. With Claimyr, I just entered my phone number, they called me back in about 18 minutes, and suddenly I was talking to an actual IRS agent who specialized in investment taxation. No magic - just a smarter way of dealing with their broken phone system. They can't get you any special treatment once you're talking to the IRS, but they save you from the hold time nightmare.

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Zoe Papadakis

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Coming back to close the loop - I not only tried the taxr.ai service mentioned above (which worked great), but I also used Claimyr when I had a follow-up question about my Section 1256 contracts that wasn't covered in the IRS publications. I was 100% sure it wouldn't work as advertised. I've never been happier to be wrong. I got a call back in about 25 minutes and was connected directly to an IRS agent. The agent confirmed that my futures losses would indeed offset my capital gains and walked me through the exact reporting process on Form 6781. Just wanted to acknowledge that my skepticism was misplaced. If you're dealing with Section 1256 contract questions and need to talk to the IRS directly, this service actually delivers what it promises.

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Mei Liu

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Something no one has mentioned yet - make sure you're aware of the capital loss limitations if your Section 1256 losses exceed your capital gains. You can only deduct up to $3,000 of net capital losses against ordinary income per year ($1,500 if married filing separately). Any excess losses have to be carried forward to future tax years. In your case, since your losses and gains are about equal, this won't be an issue. But for anyone reading who might have larger futures losses than their capital gains, keep this limitation in mind.

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Ethan Brown

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That's really good to know! Luckily my losses are almost exactly matching my gains, but what happens if I make more trades before year-end that push my losses higher than my gains? Do I need to be careful about timing or anything?

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Mei Liu

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If you make more trades before year-end that increase your losses beyond your gains, then the $3,000 limit would come into play. For example, if you end up with $13k in gains but $16k in losses, you'd have a net loss of $3k. You could use that entire $3k to offset ordinary income on this year's taxes. If your losses grew even larger - say $20k in losses against $13k in gains - you'd have a $7k net loss. You could use $3k of that to offset ordinary income this year, and then carry forward the remaining $4k to next year. There's no limit on how many years you can carry forward losses, so they won't expire, but it does mean you might not get the full tax benefit immediately. Some traders do consider this for tax planning purposes - sometimes called "tax-loss harvesting" - where they might realize additional losses before year-end if it benefits their tax situation. Just be careful not to make trading decisions solely for tax reasons without considering the overall investment impact.

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Has anyone here used the wash sale rules with Section 1256 contracts? I thought they were exempt from wash sale rules but my tax guy says otherwise.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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Your tax guy is incorrect. Section 1256 contracts are exempt from wash sale rules. This is one of the advantages of trading futures and other Section 1256 contracts. The wash sale rule (which prevents you from claiming a loss if you buy a "substantially identical" security within 30 days before or after selling at a loss) specifically doesn't apply to Section 1256 contracts because they're marked-to-market at year end regardless. This means you can realize tax losses on futures trading without worrying about wash sale restrictions, unlike with stocks where you have to wait 31 days to reestablish a position if you want to claim the tax loss.

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One thing to keep in mind is that while your Section 1256 losses will offset your capital gains, the timing of when you realize these losses matters for tax purposes. Since Section 1256 contracts are marked-to-market at year-end, any open positions you have on December 31st will be treated as if they were closed at fair market value on that date. This means if you have any open futures positions that are currently at a loss, those unrealized losses will automatically become realized losses for tax purposes at year-end, even if you don't actually close the positions. Conversely, if you have open positions with unrealized gains, those will become taxable gains. So if you're planning your tax strategy, you might want to consider whether to close your losing positions before year-end or let them get marked-to-market automatically. Either way, the tax impact is the same, but closing them gives you more control over the exact timing and amounts.

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Esteban Tate

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This is really helpful to understand! I didn't realize that open positions get automatically marked-to-market at year-end. So if I'm reading this correctly, even if I don't close my futures positions by December 31st, any unrealized losses will still count toward offsetting my capital gains for this tax year? That actually makes me feel a bit better about my situation since I've been hesitant to close some positions that are currently down, hoping they might recover. Sounds like I'll get the tax benefit either way, which gives me more flexibility in my trading decisions.

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Nia Thompson

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That's exactly right! The mark-to-market rule for Section 1256 contracts means you'll get the tax benefit of those unrealized losses at year-end regardless of whether you actually close the positions. This gives you much more trading flexibility compared to regular stocks where you have to actually sell to realize the loss. Just keep in mind that if those positions do recover and move into profit territory before December 31st, you'll owe taxes on those gains even if you haven't closed them. The mark-to-market rule works both ways - it captures both unrealized gains and losses. This is one reason why many futures traders do their tax planning in December, looking at their open positions and deciding whether they want to lock in current gains/losses by closing positions, or let them ride and see where they stand at year-end.

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Just wanted to add another perspective on this - while everyone's correctly explaining that Section 1256 losses can offset your capital gains, don't forget about the mixed straddle rules if you're trading both futures and stocks on the same underlying asset. For example, if you're trading S&P 500 futures while also holding SPY ETF shares, the IRS might treat this as a mixed straddle, which could complicate your tax treatment. In mixed straddles, you might lose some of the favorable Section 1256 treatment and have to use different reporting methods. Given that you mentioned you were trading futures after having success with tech stocks, just make sure none of your futures positions were on the same or related underlying assets as your stock holdings. If they were completely different (like you were trading oil futures while holding Apple stock), then you're fine and the standard Section 1256 treatment applies as everyone described.

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Caleb Stone

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That's a really important point about mixed straddles that I hadn't considered! I was trading E-mini S&P 500 futures while holding individual tech stocks like Apple and Microsoft, so thankfully they're on different underlying assets. But this is definitely something other people should be aware of - I could see how someone might trade futures on an index while also holding an ETF that tracks the same index, which could create those mixed straddle complications you mentioned. Thanks for bringing this up, it's the kind of detail that could really mess up someone's tax planning if they're not careful about it.

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Zadie Patel

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I went through something very similar last year! Lost about $11k on crude oil futures while having $9k in gains from some Microsoft shares I'd held for 18 months. The good news is yes, your Section 1256 contract losses will definitely offset your stock gains. What really helped me understand this was learning that the IRS treats Section 1256 contracts completely separately from regular securities for tax purposes. Your $13k futures loss gets the special 60/40 treatment (60% long-term, 40% short-term) regardless of how long you held the contracts, and then it flows to Schedule D where it offsets your other capital gains. One thing that caught me off guard was how the broker reporting worked. Make sure you get your 1099-B from your futures broker - it should clearly show the Section 1256 treatment. My regular stock broker's 1099-B looked completely different from my futures broker's 1099-B, but both fed into the same Schedule D on my tax return. The silver lining is that this experience taught me a lot about tax-efficient trading strategies. Now I'm much more careful about position sizing in futures, but at least the tax code doesn't penalize you for learning expensive lessons!

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Liam Murphy

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same situation! I was worried there might be some catch or complication I wasn't seeing, but it sounds like the process is pretty straightforward once you understand how Section 1256 contracts work. I'm definitely getting separate 1099-B forms from my futures broker (Interactive Brokers) and my stock broker (Fidelity), so good to know they'll look different but both feed into Schedule D. You're absolutely right about this being an expensive lesson in position sizing! I got way too aggressive with futures thinking I could make up for slower stock gains, but clearly didn't respect how quickly those contracts can move against you. At least Uncle Sam is helping soften the blow by letting these losses offset my gains. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's helpful to know others have navigated this successfully!

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I've been following this thread closely since I'm in a very similar situation - made some decent gains on dividend stocks this year but took a beating on corn futures (lesson learned about commodity volatility!). One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned is the importance of keeping detailed records of your futures trading, especially if you made multiple trades. The mark-to-market treatment means every single futures position gets treated as closed on December 31st for tax purposes, even if you're still holding it. This can create a lot of phantom transactions on your tax forms. I learned this the hard way last year when my 1099-B from my futures broker had pages and pages of what looked like trades I never made - but they were just the mark-to-market adjustments. Make sure you save all your account statements and trade confirmations because sometimes the 1099-B doesn't tell the whole story, especially if you transferred positions between tax years. Also, if you're using tax software, double-check that it's correctly importing the Section 1256 data. Some of the basic versions don't handle Form 6781 properly and might not apply the 60/40 split correctly. TurboTax Premier worked fine for me, but the basic version was missing some features for investment trading.

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