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Do I need to file Forms 940/944 for my LLC if I don't have employees yet?

Title: Do I need to file Forms 940/944 for my LLC if I don't have employees yet? 1 Hi everyone, I started my photography business as an LLC back in March. When I applied for my FEIN (needed it to open a business bank account), I indicated on the application that I would potentially have an employee by the end of the year. About two weeks later, I received a letter from the IRS stating I would need to file Forms 940 and 944. The thing is, my business hasn't grown as quickly as I anticipated, and I've decided to hold off on hiring anyone until next year at the earliest. Do I still need to file these employment tax forms even though I don't actually have any employees? I've spent hours trying to get through to someone at the IRS, but it's impossible to reach a human being. Their automated system just keeps directing me to their website, which doesn't clearly address my situation. Anyone dealt with this before? Any advice would be super helpful!

Michael Adams

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8 You don't need to file Forms 940 (Federal Unemployment Tax) or 944 (Employer's Annual Federal Tax Return) if you don't actually have any employees. These forms are specifically for reporting taxes related to employees. What you should do is contact the IRS to update your business information. Since you initially told them you would have employees, they've set up your account to expect these filings. You need to let them know your plans have changed. The best way to do this is to call the Business & Specialty Tax Line at 800-829-4933. Yes, the wait times can be ridiculous, but it's important to update this information to avoid unnecessary notices or penalties for non-filing. Try calling early in the morning right when they open. Until you actually hire employees, you don't have any employment tax filing requirements. Just be sure to update your information with the IRS when you do eventually hire someone.

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Michael Adams

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12 Thanks for this info! I've been trying that number for days with no luck. Do you know if there's any way to update this information online or through a form I can mail in instead of calling?

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Michael Adams

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8 The IRS doesn't have a great online system for this specific change. Your best bet is still calling, but try right at 7:00 AM Eastern Time when their lines open - that's when wait times are shortest. Alternatively, you can write a letter to the IRS explaining that you won't have employees and reference the letter they sent you (include any case or reference numbers). Mail it to the same address that sent you the original notice. Include your EIN and business details. Just keep documentation showing you attempted to notify them about the change in case they question why you didn't file those forms later.

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Michael Adams

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15 I went through almost this exact situation with my consulting LLC last year. Was pulling my hair out trying to figure out what to do after getting those same forms. Found this website called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that actually helped me figure out my specific situation with the exact same forms. I uploaded the IRS letter I received and my LLC docs, and their system analyzed everything and gave me personalized instructions. It specifically addressed what to do when you get 940/944 filing requirements but don't have employees yet. Saved me hours of stress and probably a bunch of money in potential penalties.

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Michael Adams

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22 How does this work exactly? I'm always wary of sharing my tax documents with random sites. Is it secure? And do they actually give actionable advice or just general information I could find on the IRS website?

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Michael Adams

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17 I'm skeptical... how different is this from just googling the issue? Is it worth paying for?

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Michael Adams

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15 The site uses bank-level encryption to protect all documents - I was concerned about that too initially. It's way more specific than what you'd find googling. It gave me exact steps to take for my situation, including which specific form sections to update and where to mail my response. No generic advice - it analyzed my actual IRS letter, identified the specific notice type, and gave me instructions tailored to my EIN and business structure. It costs less than 15 minutes with a tax professional and you get immediate answers rather than waiting weeks for an appointment.

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Michael Adams

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17 Just wanted to follow up on my earlier comment. I decided to try taxr.ai since I was getting nowhere with the IRS phone lines. I was skeptical at first but honestly, it was super helpful. The system recognized my 940/944 notification letter immediately and gave me a specific response template to send back to the IRS. It was pretty straightforward - I just needed to notify them that I had no wages to report and wouldn't be having employees. The site explained exactly which form to use to update my business information and even provided the correct mailing address for my region. Definitely saved me a ton of time and stress trying to piece together this information myself.

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Michael Adams

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19 I had a similar nightmare situation last year. Called the IRS probably 30+ times over two weeks and could never get through. Then someone told me about this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that helps you skip the IRS phone queue. They have a demo video here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c Basically, their system calls the IRS for you and then connects you once they get through to a human. I was super skeptical but was desperate after wasting so many hours listening to hold music. Used it to call the Business line, and I got through to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes instead of spending hours redialing. The agent confirmed exactly what the first commenter said - I didn't need to file those forms since I had no employees. They updated my account right there on the call, and I even got a confirmation letter a couple weeks later.

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Michael Adams

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3 Wait, how does this actually work? Doesn't everyone have to wait in the IRS queue? How can they "skip" it?

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Michael Adams

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17 This sounds like BS honestly. The IRS phone system is a disaster for everyone. How could some random service magically get through when nobody else can?

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Michael Adams

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19 They don't actually "skip" the queue in the sense of cutting ahead of others. Their system uses automated technology to continuously call the IRS and navigate the initial phone tree. When someone finally answers, you get a call connecting you to that agent. They're basically doing the frustrating redial work for you. Their system can make hundreds of call attempts while you go about your day instead of you having to manually redial. The IRS doesn't give them special treatment - they're just more persistent and efficient than a human could be at trying to get through.

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Michael Adams

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17 Just wanted to follow up about my Claimyr skepticism. I actually tried it after getting nowhere for two weeks calling the IRS myself. I was shocked when they actually connected me to an IRS agent in about 35 minutes. The agent was super helpful and confirmed I didn't need to file the 940/944 forms without employees. She updated my business profile in their system and told me they'd send a confirmation letter. The whole thing took maybe 10 minutes once I actually got connected to someone. Definitely beats the weeks I spent trying to get through on my own!

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Michael Adams

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5 A simple solution might be filing a $0 return for both forms for the first year. I did this with my LLC when I was in a similar situation. It's quick to fill out since you're just putting zeros in most fields, and it avoids any potential issues with the IRS expecting filings from you.

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Michael Adams

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9 Wouldn't filing those forms potentially cause confusion though? Like, if you file employment tax forms with zeros, might the IRS keep expecting them in future years?

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Michael Adams

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5 That's actually a good point I hadn't considered. In my case, I did file the zero returns the first year, but I also included a letter explaining I had no employees. Then I called to update my information for future years. You're right that just filing zeros without any explanation might create an ongoing expectation. If you go this route, definitely include a clear letter explaining the situation and then follow up by phone to ensure your account is updated for future filing periods.

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Michael Adams

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2 This happened to me too! Ended up just ignoring the forms since I had no employees and didn't get any follow-up notices from the IRS. That was 3 years ago. Probably not the most responsible approach but worked out fine for me lol.

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Michael Adams

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11 I wouldn't recommend this approach. The IRS systems don't always trigger immediate follow-ups, but ignoring filing requirements can lead to penalties later. They may eventually send automated notices or even conduct a compliance check.

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! Got my EIN a few months ago and checked the box saying I might hire employees, but my freelance business isn't at that point yet. The IRS sent me the same 940/944 notices and I've been stressed about it. Based on all the advice here, it sounds like the key is updating your information with the IRS rather than just ignoring it or filing zero returns. I'm going to try that Claimyr service since I've had zero luck getting through their phone lines myself. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this thread has been way more helpful than anything I could find on the IRS website!

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Dylan Wright

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I was in almost the exact same boat with my consulting LLC about 6 months ago. Got the EIN, optimistically said I might hire employees, then reality hit and I realized I wasn't ready for that step yet. What worked for me was calling the IRS Business line (800-829-4933) super early in the morning - like right at 7 AM Eastern. Still took about 45 minutes to get through, but way better than the multiple hours I was waiting when calling later in the day. The agent was actually really helpful once I got connected. She explained that since I indicated potential employees on my SS-4 form, their system automatically enrolled me for employment tax filings. She was able to update my account status to show no employees and removed the filing requirements for Forms 940 and 944. The key thing she told me was to call back when I actually do hire my first employee so they can reactivate the employment tax requirements. Don't want to deal with this headache again when that time comes! Definitely don't ignore the notices - the IRS systems will keep generating them and could eventually lead to penalties even if you don't owe anything.

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This is super helpful, Dylan! The 7 AM tip is gold - I've been calling randomly throughout the day with no luck. Quick question: did the agent give you any kind of confirmation number or reference when she updated your account? I want to make sure I have documentation that the change was made in case there are any issues down the road. Also, do you remember roughly how long it took to stop receiving those automated notices after she updated your account?

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