Could a tax preparer legally have a PTIN but be denied an EFIN? What would prevent approval?
There's this tax preparer in my neighborhood who's been running her own tax preparation business for about 3 years. She has an office space that she rents and markets her services pretty heavily on Facebook and Instagram. I was chatting with someone who used her services, and they mentioned that she actually uses her niece's EFIN (Electronic Filing Identification Number) to submit returns, even though the niece works at a completely different tax office in another part of town. I got curious and did some digging online about her background. As far as I can tell, she doesn't have any felony convictions in the past decade that would automatically disqualify her. She definitely has her own PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) because she lists it on her business cards. What could be preventing her from getting her own EFIN instead of piggy-backing off her niece's credentials? Is there something in her background that might be causing the IRS to deny her application? Or is she just taking shortcuts? I'm genuinely curious about how the whole PTIN vs EFIN approval process works.
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Carmella Popescu
This is definitely concerning. While having a PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) and an EFIN (Electronic Filing Identification Number) are both requirements for tax preparers, they have different approval processes and standards. The PTIN is fairly straightforward to obtain - almost anyone can get one by applying and paying the fee. It's basically just registering yourself as a tax preparer. The EFIN, however, has a much more rigorous approval process. The IRS conducts background checks on the applicant and all principal owners/officers in a business. They check for tax compliance (whether you've filed and paid your own taxes properly), credit history, and prior criminal history beyond just felonies - certain misdemeanors can also be disqualifying. What she's doing - using someone else's EFIN - is explicitly prohibited by IRS rules. Each EFIN is tied to a specific business location and ownership. Her niece is putting her own professional standing at serious risk by allowing this. As for why she might be denied, common reasons include: tax non-compliance (didn't file or pay personal taxes), certain types of prior criminal charges (even non-felonies like fraud-related misdemeanors), poor credit history, or previously having had an EFIN revoked.
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Kai Santiago
•Is there a way for someone to report this kind of situation to the IRS? It seems like it could be harmful to clients if their returns are being processed under someone else's credentials. Also, could the clients be at risk of audit or other issues if the IRS discovers this arrangement?
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Carmella Popescu
•Yes, this situation can definitely be reported to the IRS. The appropriate channel would be IRS Form 14157 (Complaint: Tax Return Preparer). This form allows you to report suspected misconduct by tax preparers, including unauthorized use of EFINs. As for clients, they could indeed face complications. While the validity of their tax returns wouldn't automatically be voided, those returns could face additional scrutiny if the IRS investigates the preparer. In severe cases, if the IRS determines there was a pattern of improper filing or fraudulent activity, they might review all returns submitted under that EFIN. Clients would never face penalties simply for using a preparer who misused an EFIN if their own tax information was accurate, but they might experience delays, correspondence audits, or have to verify information.
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Lim Wong
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Xan Dae
Just to add another angle here - I worked for the IRS for 7 years and specifically dealt with EFIN applications and compliance. There are several lesser-known reasons someone might be denied an EFIN: 1. Failure to disclose all responsible officials on the application 2. A prior revocation or suspension of a different professional license (not just tax-related) 3. Owing child support in certain states 4. Having a spouse or business partner with tax compliance issues 5. Operating a previous business that closed with unfiled employment taxes The PTIN process is mostly automated while EFIN applications undergo much more thorough manual review. I've seen cases where someone passed the PTIN process but was flagged during the deeper EFIN background check.
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Fiona Gallagher
•That's really helpful insight! Do you know if bankruptcy would prevent someone from getting an EFIN? My cousin had a personal bankruptcy about 4 years ago and is worried about starting her tax preparation business.
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Xan Dae
•Bankruptcy definitely factors into the EFIN application process, but it's not an automatic disqualification. The IRS looks at the circumstances and timing of the bankruptcy. A personal bankruptcy from 4 years ago would be considered, but if your cousin has maintained good financial standing since then, it shouldn't be an insurmountable barrier. What's more important is whether all tax obligations were properly addressed during the bankruptcy process. If taxes were discharged or if there were unfiled returns involved, that could create complications. The IRS also looks at the pattern of financial responsibility since the bankruptcy - establishing a track record of timely tax filing and payment after bankruptcy significantly improves chances of approval.
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Thais Soares
I think we're missing something obvious here. Maybe she just doesn't want to pay the fees or go through the hassle of the application? A friend of mine who's a tax preparer told me getting an EFIN requires fingerprinting, an in-person interview sometimes, and a bunch of documentation. Sounds like this lady might just be lazy and cutting corners rather than being unable to qualify.
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Nalani Liu
•But isn't that even worse? Cutting corners on federal requirements doesn't inspire confidence in her attention to detail for tax preparation. I'd be really concerned about having someone who knowingly bypasses IRS requirements handling my financial information and tax filing.
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Jamal Carter
This whole situation raises red flags about the quality and ethics of this tax preparer's practice. As someone who's dealt with tax compliance issues before, I can tell you that the IRS takes EFIN violations very seriously - it's not just a technical violation, it's a breach of the entire electronic filing system's integrity. What concerns me most is that clients may not even realize their returns are being filed under fraudulent credentials. When tax season gets busy, people often don't pay close attention to the technical details on their forms. But if the IRS discovers this arrangement and investigates, those clients could face delays in processing their refunds, additional correspondence, or even audits through no fault of their own. The fact that she's been operating this way for 3 years suggests this isn't an oversight or temporary arrangement - it's a deliberate choice to circumvent IRS requirements. Whether it's because she can't qualify for her own EFIN or just doesn't want to go through the proper process, either scenario should make potential clients think twice about trusting her with their financial information. I'd strongly recommend anyone considering using her services to verify that their preparer has their own valid EFIN before handing over their tax documents.
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GalaxyGlider
•This is exactly right - I'm new to understanding tax preparation regulations, but this situation sounds really concerning from a client protection standpoint. If I were using a tax preparer, I'd want to know they're following all the proper procedures and have their own legitimate credentials. Is there an easy way for regular people to verify that their tax preparer has a valid EFIN? I imagine most clients just assume everything is legitimate and don't think to check these technical details. It seems like there should be some kind of database or verification system available to the public, especially since we're trusting these preparers with such sensitive financial information.
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