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Continual Penalty Charges for Excess Roth IRA Contribution from Years Ago - Why Am I Still Paying?

Title: Continual Penalty Charges for Excess Roth IRA Contribution from Years Ago - Why Am I Still Paying? 1 My accountant keeps saying I need to keep paying penalties every year for a Roth IRA contribution I made several years back because my income exceeded the limit. The thing is, I haven't made any additional contributions since then, and I haven't taken any distributions either. They're filling out Form 5329 each year showing I still have this excess contribution balance just sitting there, and I'm getting charged penalties year after year. This doesn't seem right to me. From what I understand, I made one mistake years ago by contributing to a Roth when my income was too high, but why would I keep getting penalized indefinitely for that same contribution? The excess amount is still sitting in the account, but no new money has gone in. Is this really how it works? Do I seriously have to pay penalties forever for one mistaken contribution? Or is my tax person making an error? Any insights would be greatly appreciated because these penalties are adding up!

8 The tax person is actually correct in this situation. The 6% excess contribution penalty continues to apply each year until you fix the problem. It's not a one-time penalty. When you contribute to a Roth IRA and your income is above the limit, that money becomes what's called an "excess contribution." The IRS charges a 6% penalty on that excess amount every year it remains in your account. To fix this, you have a few options: 1) Remove the excess contribution plus any earnings specifically attributed to that excess amount (there's a calculation for this), 2) Apply the excess as a contribution to a future year when you're eligible, or 3) Recharacterize the contribution as a Traditional IRA contribution if you're eligible. I'd recommend working with your tax person to remove the excess contribution ASAP to stop the penalties from continuing. This will involve contacting your Roth IRA provider and specifically requesting a "return of excess contribution." They'll have the paperwork to do this properly.

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14 If I've been paying this penalty for a few years already, can I get those payments back after fixing the excess contribution? And do I need to file amended returns for all those prior years?

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8 Unfortunately, you generally can't get back the penalties you've already paid in previous years. The 6% penalty was correctly applied for each year the excess contribution remained in the account. You typically don't need to file amended returns for prior years. Once you remove the excess contribution (plus earnings), you'll just stop reporting the excess on Form 5329 going forward. The correction only affects future tax reporting, not past reporting.

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12 How does the tool actually calculate the earnings that need to be withdrawn? My situation is complicated because the excess contribution was from like 3 years ago, and the market has been all over the place since then.

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17 Is this just for Roth IRA excess contributions or does it work for other tax situations too? I've got some self-employment tax questions and wondering if it could help with that.

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5 They use IRS-approved calculation methods that factor in your account's overall performance during the period the excess contribution was in your account. So even with the market volatility, it handles that correctly - it's not just a simple interest calculation. It actually works for many tax situations beyond just Roth IRAs. I know people who've used it for self-employment tax questions, rental property deductions, and even audit support. It analyzes tax forms and situations and gives you specific guidance for your situation.

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11 I think everyone's missing a key point here - the OP might be able to recharacterize that Roth contribution as a Traditional IRA contribution instead of just withdrawing it. This could potentially be better depending on their situation. When you recharacterize, you basically tell the IRS "oops, I meant to put this in a Traditional IRA instead of a Roth." You'll have to pay tax on any earnings when you eventually withdraw, but you avoid the 6% penalty going forward and don't lose the tax-advantaged space. Of course, this only works if you were eligible to contribute to a Traditional IRA in the year of the original contribution. Talk to your IRA provider about the recharacterization process.

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22 Is there a time limit for recharacterization though? I thought you had to do that by the tax filing deadline for the year of the contribution.

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11 You're absolutely right about the time limit, and that's an important clarification. Recharacterization generally must be done by the tax filing deadline (including extensions) for the year of the contribution. Since the OP mentioned this was from "several years ago," recharacterization is unfortunately no longer an option. For anyone else reading this who recently made an excess contribution, recharacterization is a great option, but it has to be done quickly. For the OP, removal of the excess contribution (plus earnings) is likely the only remaining option to stop the ongoing 6% penalty.

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6 I had the exact same problem last year! My income ended up being higher than expected and I had already maxed out my Roth IRA. What I did was call my brokerage (Fidelity in my case) and specifically ask for a "return of excess contribution." They had me fill out a simple form specifying which contribution was in excess and they calculated the earnings on that contribution. They withdrew both amounts, sent me a 1099-R showing the distribution, and I reported it all on my taxes. The earnings portion was taxable for the year I received the distribution, and I had to pay a 10% early withdrawal penalty on those earnings, but it was WAY better than continuing to pay 6% on the whole contribution amount every year. The hardest part was just making the phone call! After that, the brokerage handled everything. Problem solved.

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1 Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you need to provide any specific documentation to your brokerage to prove the contribution was excess? Or did they just take your word for it and process the request?

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6 They didn't require any documentation at all. I just had to tell them which contribution I wanted treated as excess (in my case it was the whole annual contribution). They have all the records of your contributions already in their system. They did warn me that the calculation of earnings might result in different numbers than I expected, especially if the market had gone up or down significantly since the contribution. In my case, the earnings portion was actually negative because the market had dropped after my contribution, which was actually better for tax purposes since I didn't have to pay tax on earnings that didn't exist.

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