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Amun-Ra Azra

Can someone explain what an F Reorganization is and how it works for changing business entities?

So I've been doing some research on restructuring my business and keep coming across this term "F Reorganization" but honestly have no idea what it means. I currently have an S Corporation that's just not working out anymore for various reasons, and I'm thinking about converting it to a partnership structure instead. The business itself is viable but the current legal structure is causing more problems than benefits. From what little I understand, an F Reorganization might allow for some kind of transformation between entity types? But I'm completely lost on how this actually works in practice, what the tax implications would be, and if this is even the right approach for what I'm trying to do. If anyone could explain this in terms a non-tax professional could understand, I'd really appreciate it!

Summer Green

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I can help explain F Reorganizations. An F Reorganization (under IRC Section 368(a)(1)(F)) is basically a "reorganization" that involves a mere change in identity, form, or place of organization of one corporation. It's often called the "identity reorganization" because the business itself doesn't fundamentally change - just its legal wrapper. For your situation, going from an S Corp directly to a partnership isn't typically done through an F Reorganization alone. An F Reorg is usually used to change from one corporation to another corporation while maintaining the same tax attributes. The more common approach would be a two-step process: First, do an F Reorganization to convert your S Corp to a new S Corp (maintaining your EIN, tax attributes, etc.), then have that new S Corp contribute its assets to a partnership in exchange for a partnership interest. This can get complicated quickly, as you need to consider potential gain recognition, basis issues, holding periods, and whether the transaction qualifies as a tax-free exchange. You definitely should consult with a tax attorney or CPA who specializes in business restructuring.

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Gael Robinson

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Thanks for explaining! I'm wondering if there are any major tax pitfalls or surprise costs when doing this two-step approach? Also, would the partnership end up with a new EIN or could it somehow keep the original S Corp's EIN throughout this process?

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Summer Green

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The biggest potential tax pitfall is unintended gain recognition if the restructuring isn't properly planned. If your S Corporation has appreciated assets, converting to a partnership structure could trigger recognition of that built-in gain. Also, if there's any debt involved, it can create complex basis and distribution issues. The partnership would need its own EIN - it cannot use the S Corporation's EIN. In the two-step process, the original S Corp's EIN would transfer to the new S Corp through the F Reorganization, but the partnership would require a new EIN when formed. This is one reason why proper sequencing of the transactions is critical to avoiding unnecessary complications.

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Khalid Howes

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For what it's worth, I've done an F Reorganization to help transition my S Corp to an eventual partnership structure. The key benefit was being able to maintain the S Corp's tax attributes, EIN, and accounting methods during the transition process. Make sure you're doing this for a legitimate business purpose though, not just tax avoidance. In my case, we needed to bring in investors who couldn't be S Corp shareholders, so converting to a partnership structure made sense. The F Reorg was just step 1 of the process. Also, document EVERYTHING. We kept detailed corporate minutes explaining the business purpose, had proper board resolutions, and maintained perfect paper trails of all asset and liability transfers. Three years later, no issues from the IRS.

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Ben Cooper

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Were there any unexpected costs in this process? Like did you end up with higher legal or accounting fees than anticipated? Trying to budget for a similar reorganization.

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Khalid Howes

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The legal and accounting fees were definitely higher than I initially budgeted for. I had set aside about $5,000, but the final cost was closer to $12,000. The complexity came from valuing the assets properly and documenting the transfer of each asset class correctly. The ongoing accounting was also more complex the first year because we had to file returns for multiple entities. Another unexpected cost was the state filing fees - we had to pay for both the new entity formation and the eventual dissolution of the original entity. In our state, that added another $1,200 that I hadn't factored in initially. If I could do it again, I'd have been more prepared for these costs from the beginning.

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Naila Gordon

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I tried to do my own F Reorganization last year using turbotax and it was a complete disaster. ended up with a huge tax bill because i didnt realize that transferring appreciated real estate from the s corp to the partnership would trigger recognition of gain. like $43000 in unexpected taxes!!! get a real tax attorney who specializes in business restructuring. seriously. this is NOT something to diy or use general business forums for.

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Cynthia Love

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Ouch, that's painful! Did you find any way to mitigate the damage afterward? Could you have structured it differently if you had known?

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Jean Claude

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This is exactly why I always recommend getting professional help for business reorganizations. The tax code around F Reorganizations is incredibly complex and the consequences of getting it wrong can be devastating financially. For anyone considering this path, here are some key questions to ask a qualified tax professional before proceeding: 1. Will the reorganization trigger any built-in gains or other taxable events? 2. How will the transaction affect your basis in the assets? 3. Are there any depreciation recapture issues to consider? 4. What documentation is required to maintain tax-deferred treatment? 5. How will the timing of the reorganization affect your tax obligations? The upfront cost of proper professional guidance is always less than the cost of fixing mistakes later. I've seen too many business owners try to save money on professional fees only to end up with massive unexpected tax bills or compliance issues that take years to resolve. Don't let the complexity discourage you from restructuring if it makes business sense - just make sure you have the right experts guiding you through the process.

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Javier Gomez

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This is such valuable advice! I'm just starting to explore restructuring options for my small consulting business and had no idea there were so many potential pitfalls. The questions you listed are really helpful - I wouldn't have even known to ask about depreciation recapture issues. Reading through this thread has been eye-opening. I was initially thinking I could handle this myself with some online research, but seeing @Naila Gordon s'experience with the $43k surprise tax bill has definitely changed my mind. Better to invest in proper professional guidance upfront than deal with expensive mistakes later. Do you have any recommendations for finding tax attorneys who specialize in business restructuring? I m'in a smaller market and not sure where to start looking for someone with the right expertise.

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Yara Khoury

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I went through a similar situation about 18 months ago when I needed to convert my S Corp to eventually allow for partnership taxation. The F Reorganization route can work, but you're right to be cautious about the complexity. One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the potential impact on your state tax obligations. While the federal tax treatment might be clear, some states don't automatically recognize F Reorganizations the same way the IRS does. I had to file additional state forms and pay separate state filing fees that I didn't anticipate. Also, timing is crucial if you have any seasonal income patterns or pending contracts. We had to delay our reorganization by three months because completing it mid-year would have created some messy quarterly tax filing issues. The documentation requirements are no joke either - make sure you keep copies of every corporate resolution, asset transfer document, and valuation report. The IRS can request these years later if they decide to examine the transaction. My biggest piece of advice is to get quotes from at least two different tax professionals. The range in both expertise and pricing was surprising, and having multiple perspectives helped me understand the full scope of what we were undertaking.

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