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Carmen Ruiz

Can my mileage deduction be almost as much as my self-employment income?

I'm a relatively new self-employed business owner and just working on calculating my quarterly estimated tax payments. Looking at my numbers for Q1, something seems off to me and I wanted to check with others who might know better. I drove quite a bit for my lawn care business this first quarter (January-March), visiting potential clients for quotes, going to supply stores, and traveling between job sites. My total income for Q1 was only $1673 since I'm just starting out and it was the slow season. But when I calculated my mileage deduction at the standard rate, it came out to $1109. That's like 66% of my income going to the mileage deduction alone! Is this ratio normal for a service business just starting out? I know I'll need to factor in other expenses too, but the mileage number compared to my income just seems really high to me. Do I need to be tracking something differently or is this actually pretty typical?

This is actually quite common for businesses that are just starting out, especially service businesses that require a lot of driving. The standard mileage rate (65.5 cents per mile in 2023) adds up quickly! A few things to consider: 1) Are you properly tracking business vs. personal miles? Only business miles count for the deduction. 2) The start-up phase often has a higher mileage-to-income ratio because you're doing a lot of networking, quoting, and supply runs without the established client base yet. 3) For lawn care specifically, winter/early spring is typically low income but can still require significant travel. What matters is that you're keeping accurate records. Use a mileage tracking app or detailed logbook that notes the date, business purpose, starting point, destination, and miles driven for each trip. The IRS can be particularly strict about mileage documentation.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for the reassurance! I am definitely tracking business vs. personal miles - I have a separate logbook in my truck where I write down the odometer reading at the start and end of each business trip, along with where I went and why. I also take pictures of the odometer sometimes as backup. I'm glad to hear this is normal for starting out. I was worried I was doing something wrong or that it would trigger an audit or something. Do you think this ratio will improve as I get more established?

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Yes, this ratio should definitely improve as your business grows. As you build a client base, your income will increase while your prospecting miles may actually decrease since you'll have more repeat customers and more efficient routing between jobs. Many seasonal businesses see dramatic changes in their expense-to-income ratios throughout the year too. For lawn care, your Q2 and Q3 numbers will likely show much higher income with potentially similar mileage, giving you a more balanced overall picture by year-end.

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I went through similar issues when I started my mobile dog grooming business. The mileage vs income thing was stressing me out until I found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which helped me understand what's normal for service businesses. I uploaded my mileage logs and early income statements, and their analysis showed my numbers were actually typical for a new mobile service business. The tool explained that a high mileage-to-income ratio is expected in the early quarters, especially in businesses where you have to travel to clients. What really helped was seeing how my numbers compared to similar businesses in their database. They also flagged a few trips I had documented poorly, which could have been problematic if I'd been audited. Definitely worth checking out if you're worried about your numbers or documentation.

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How does their system actually work with mileage tracking? I've been using a paper logbook but I'm always worried I'm missing something important the IRS wants to see.

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They don't actually track your mileage - you still need to do that yourself with whatever method works for you. What they do is analyze your documentation to make sure it meets IRS requirements. They highlight any entries that might raise red flags, like missing information or unusual patterns that could trigger questions during an audit. It's definitely not a replacement for an accountant. I still use mine for filing my taxes, but it's been super helpful for peace of mind throughout the year. I was skeptical too at first, but it caught several issues in my documentation that my accountant probably wouldn't have noticed until it was too late. They do a lot more than just what you'd find in a basic Google search, especially with analyzing your specific business patterns against others in your industry.

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Mei Wong

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Wanted to follow up on my skeptical comment earlier - I actually ended up trying taxr.ai after continuing to stress about my own mileage to income ratio (mine was even higher than yours for my first two months as a mobile hairstylist). I was genuinely surprised by how helpful it was. Beyond just saying "yes this is normal," it showed me exactly where my driving patterns could be optimized and even identified a few clients that were costing me money due to the distance. It also found a few business trips I had completely forgotten to log! The comparison to other businesses in my field was eye-opening. Turns out I'm actually more efficient with my miles than most other mobile service providers in their database. Sorry for being so dismissive before - it's not just another generic tax tool.

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Something else to consider - are you sure you're using the correct mileage rate? The IRS increased it mid-year in 2022, and it went up again for 2023. Make sure you're using the right one for your calculations. Also, don't forget that you can choose between taking the standard mileage deduction OR deducting actual expenses (gas, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, etc.). You should calculate both ways to see which gives you the better deduction. Just remember once you choose actual expenses for a vehicle, you can't switch to standard mileage later for that vehicle.

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Carmen Ruiz

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I'm using the 65.5 cents per mile rate for 2023, which I think is current. As for the standard vs. actual expenses, I was under the impression that for the first year I use the vehicle for business, I can choose either method, and then in subsequent years I'm locked in if I chose actual expenses first. Is that right?

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You've got the current rate correct at 65.5 cents for 2023. And yes, you've got the rule right too - you can choose either method the first year you use the vehicle for business. If you choose standard mileage that first year, you can switch back and forth in future years. But if you choose actual expenses the first year, you're locked into that method for the life of that vehicle in your business. For a new business with lower income but high mileage, the standard mileage rate is often the better choice. It's also much simpler for record-keeping. Just make sure your mileage log is detailed and consistent!

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Have you considered adjusting your business model to reduce driving? When I started my house cleaning business, I had similar issues - tons of miles but not much income. I started focusing on getting multiple clients in the same neighborhoods/areas and scheduling them on the same days. Cut my mileage by almost 40% while increasing my income. For lawn care, maybe you could offer discounts to neighbors of existing clients? Or charge a bit more for outlying areas to offset the driving costs?

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Dylan Wright

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This is great advice. I work in landscaping and we use zone pricing - we charge more for areas farther from our base. We also give "neighbor discounts" if we can service multiple properties in one area. It's been super effective at both bringing in more clients and reducing drive time.

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