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Anna Kerber

Can I write off the purchase of a used excavator for side business without an LLC?

Hey y'all, I recently bought a used mini excavator from Facebook Marketplace back in November with plans to start doing some excavation work on the side. The guy was asking $9800 but I talked him down to $8200. Then of course it needed some repairs that I've had to put into it (I'm about $10,500 in now total). I'm planning to start doing small jobs with it this spring but haven't officially formed any kind of business entity yet. I'm wondering if I can deduct this purchase on my taxes even though I don't have an LLC or anything formal set up? I've heard about section 179 deductions but not sure if that applies to my situation without having an actual registered business. I usually just go to H&R Block for my taxes. Would they be able to help with something like this or is this too complicated for them? I'm hoping to get some of this expense back since it's for income-generating purposes, but I'm confused about what's allowed when you're just starting out. Thanks for any advice!

Niko Ramsey

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You absolutely can deduct business expenses without having a formal LLC or corporation! What matters to the IRS is whether you're engaging in the activity with the intention of making a profit. This would be considered a sole proprietorship. When you file your taxes, you'll include a Schedule C with your return. That's where you'll report income and expenses related to your side business. The mini excavator would be considered equipment and can be either depreciated over several years or potentially deducted all at once using Section 179 (though there are some requirements to qualify). Just make sure you're keeping good records of all expenses related to the business, including the purchase price, repairs, maintenance, fuel, insurance, etc. Also track all income you receive from jobs. Since you haven't started generating income yet, the IRS might look more closely if you claim large deductions without any revenue, so be prepared to demonstrate your profit motive.

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Does the fact that they bought it in November 2023 but probably won't have any actual business income until 2024 cause problems? Like can they claim the deduction for 2023 taxes if they haven't made any money with it yet?

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Niko Ramsey

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The timing can definitely affect things. If you purchased the equipment in 2023 but won't generate income until 2024, you technically could still claim it on your 2023 return if you've taken steps to start the business. However, this creates what's called a "loss" year, which might increase audit risk. The IRS generally allows businesses to have losses, especially in startup years, but they want to see that you're legitimately trying to make a profit and not just claiming hobby expenses. If you haven't done any actual business activities yet (marketing, creating business cards, looking for clients), it might be safer to wait and claim everything in 2024 when you have some revenue to report alongside the expenses.

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Jabari-Jo

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Kristin Frank

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Micah Trail

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Is it expensive? I'm just starting out and trying to keep costs low until I get some actual jobs.

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Jabari-Jo

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Micah Trail

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I need to apologize for my skepticism and update everyone - I actually tried Claimyr yesterday after posting that skeptical comment. It worked EXACTLY as described. I had been trying to reach the IRS for days about a business expense question similar to OP's situation. Got the callback in about 30 minutes (way faster than I expected) and spoke directly with an IRS agent who clarified everything about Section 179 for my situation. They explained that I can in fact claim the deduction in the year I place the equipment in service, even without formally registering a business, as long as I'm using it for business purposes with intent to make profit. Saved me literally hours of frustration and got me the exact information I needed. Sometimes I'm too quick to assume things are scams!

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Marcus Marsh

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Just wanted to add - I'm a Schedule C filer (sole proprietor) who bought a skid steer last year for my landscaping business. H&R Block did handle it for me, but make sure you get someone experienced with small business taxes. The regular tax preparers sometimes aren't familiar with all the business deductions. One tip: start tracking ALL business expenses right away. Keep fuel receipts, maintenance costs, etc. in a separate folder. Take photos of your receipts too in case they fade. Trust me, you'll thank yourself at tax time! And yes, Section 179 is awesome - I wrote off my entire equipment purchase in year 1.

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Anna Kerber

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Did you have to provide extra documentation for the Section 179 deduction? And do you think it's better to claim it all at once or depreciate it over time?

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Marcus Marsh

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I didn't need to submit any extra documentation with my tax return, but I kept all the purchase paperwork in case of an audit. The Section 179 form itself is pretty straightforward - you list the equipment, when you started using it for business, and its cost. Whether to take Section 179 all at once or depreciate depends on your situation. If you expect to make more money in future years (and thus be in a higher tax bracket), saving some depreciation for later might save you more in the long run. But if you need the tax break now, Section 179 gives you the full deduction immediately. In my case, I had a really profitable year so taking it all at once made sense.

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Just a heads up - don't forget about self-employment taxes! Even if you write off the excavator, you'll still owe SE tax (15.3%) on your net profit. A lot of people start side businesses and get shocked by this at tax time.

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Cedric Chung

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But the equipment deduction would reduce that net profit right? So if they spent $10,500 on the excavator and only make $8,000 in revenue the first year, they wouldn't owe SE tax?

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Andre Laurent

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Exactly right! The equipment deduction reduces your net profit, which is what SE tax is calculated on. So in your example, if they made $8,000 in revenue but had $10,500 in equipment expenses, they'd actually have a net loss of $2,500 for the year. No SE tax owed on a loss. Just keep in mind that having losses multiple years in a row can trigger IRS scrutiny about whether it's really a business or just a hobby. But for a startup year, especially with major equipment purchases, losses are totally normal and expected.

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One thing I'd add to all the great advice here - make sure you're prepared to demonstrate the business nature of your activity if the IRS ever questions it. Since you bought the excavator in November but won't start generating income until spring, document everything that shows your serious business intent: research you did on pricing for excavation services in your area, any business cards or flyers you've made, social media pages you created, networking with potential clients, etc. Also consider getting business insurance for the excavator once you start operating. Not only is it smart protection, but the premiums are another business deduction. And if you're planning to operate it on other people's property, many clients will require you to have liability coverage anyway. The fact that you're asking these questions and thinking ahead shows you're taking this seriously as a business venture, which is exactly the kind of profit motive the IRS looks for. Good luck with your new excavation business!

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Nia Wilson

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This is really solid advice! I'm just getting started with understanding business taxes myself, but the documentation part makes so much sense. Even something as simple as screenshots of Craigslist or Facebook posts where you're advertising your services could probably help show business intent, right? I hadn't thought about the insurance angle either - that's a great point about clients requiring liability coverage. Do you know if there are any other "must have" insurances for this type of work that would also be deductible?

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