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Emma Swift

Can I rent a car from my own LLC business and write off vehicle expenses?

I've been running a small car rental business on the side for a couple years now. It's been going pretty well - I have 4 vehicles under my LLC that I rent out through one of those car sharing platforms. Now I'm in a situation where my personal vehicle is on its last legs and needs replacing. I'm wondering about the tax implications if I were to purchase a 5th vehicle through my LLC, then essentially rent it back to myself for personal use. Would I be able to pay my own LLC a monthly rental fee and then write off the vehicle expenses on my business taxes? The car would primarily be for my personal use, but I'm thinking this might be a smart way to handle the replacement while getting some tax advantages. Is this actually legit or am I missing something here? Has anyone done something similar with their own business?

This is an area where you need to be really careful. The IRS looks closely at transactions between you and your LLC, especially when personal use is involved. If you buy a car through your LLC and use it primarily for personal purposes, you can't just write off all the vehicle expenses. The IRS will view this as trying to convert personal expenses into business deductions, which is a red flag. Instead, you'll need to track business vs. personal usage. Only the business portion can be deducted. If you're renting it to yourself, that income would be taxable to the LLC, but your personal payments aren't deductible as personal expenses. This effectively means you're paying with after-tax dollars. If your main goal is tax advantages, you might be disappointed. You'd be better off keeping personal vehicles separate from business assets unless you have significant legitimate business use.

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Emma Swift

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Thanks for responding! That makes sense about the IRS watching these things closely. Just to clarify - if I do track my mileage and can show some legitimate business use (maybe 30% business, 70% personal), would that portion be deductible? Or is there just no way to make this work?

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You're welcome! Yes, if you can document that 30% of the usage is legitimate business use, then 30% of the expenses would be deductible. You'd need to maintain a mileage log showing business vs. personal trips, dates, purposes, etc. The LLC could take those deductions. But there's a simpler approach that might work better. Just track your actual business mileage and take the standard mileage deduction (65.5 cents per mile for 2025) on your personal vehicle when used for business. This avoids complicating your LLC structure and potential audit issues from self-rental arrangements.

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Jayden Hill

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LordCommander

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Did they help with figuring out what percentage of use would trigger IRS concerns? I heard somewhere that if business use is under 50% you can't take certain deductions, but I'm not sure if that's accurate.

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Jayden Hill

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Grace Durand

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is insurance considerations. If you buy the car through your LLC but use it personally, make sure your insurance coverage is appropriate. Some commercial policies won't cover personal use, and some personal policies won't cover a business-owned vehicle. I learned this the hard way when I had a fender bender in my LLC-owned car and my insurance initially denied the claim because of how I had it titled vs. how it was insured. Ended up being a huge headache that cost me way more than any tax benefit would have been worth.

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Steven Adams

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Does this affect liability protection too? Like if I get in an accident while driving an LLC car for personal use, am I personally protected or is that protection lost?

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Grace Durand

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Excellent question! The liability protection can absolutely be compromised in this situation. If you're using an LLC asset for personal purposes without proper documentation and insurance, a court could potentially "pierce the corporate veil" and hold you personally liable. The key is maintaining clear separation between business and personal. If you're going to use an LLC vehicle personally, you need proper documentation (like a formal lease agreement between you and the LLC), appropriate insurance coverage, and you should be paying fair market value to the LLC for that use. Without these elements, you risk losing the liability protection that's one of the main benefits of having an LLC in the first place.

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Alice Fleming

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My tax guy told me there's a specific IRS rule about "self-rental" arrangements where rental income received is treated as non-passive even if rental activities are generally considered passive. Something about Section 469 and "self-rental rule"??? Anyone familiar with this?

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Hassan Khoury

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Yes, that's absolutely correct. Under Treasury Regulation 1.469-2(f)(6), rental income from an activity where the property is rented to a business in which the taxpayer materially participates is treated as non-passive income, while losses remain passive. It's sometimes called the "self-rental trap." This was specifically designed to prevent people from creating rental arrangements between themselves and their businesses to generate passive income that could offset passive losses from other activities. It's one of those complex areas where working with a tax professional really helps.

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This is a complex situation that requires careful consideration of multiple factors. As others have mentioned, the IRS scrutinizes self-rental arrangements closely, especially when personal use is involved. Here are the key issues to consider: 1. **Business Purpose Test**: The arrangement must have a legitimate business purpose beyond tax savings. Since you're primarily using it for personal transportation, this could be problematic. 2. **Fair Market Value**: Any rental payments must reflect what you'd pay an unrelated party for similar use. 3. **Documentation**: You'll need formal lease agreements, proper insurance coverage, and detailed mileage logs to support any business use claims. 4. **Passive Activity Rules**: As mentioned by others, the self-rental rules under Section 469 could affect how income and losses are treated. 5. **Liability Protection**: Mixing personal and business use without proper documentation could pierce your LLC's corporate veil. Given these complexities, you might want to consider simpler alternatives: - Keep personal vehicles separate and use standard mileage deduction for business trips - Purchase the vehicle personally and lease it TO your LLC if you have legitimate business use - Consult with a tax professional who specializes in small business taxation The potential audit risks and complexity may outweigh any tax benefits, especially if personal use exceeds business use significantly.

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Oliver Cheng

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This is really helpful, thank you for breaking down all the key issues! I'm starting to think this might be more trouble than it's worth. Just to clarify on one point - when you mention purchasing the vehicle personally and leasing it TO the LLC, wouldn't that create the same self-rental issues you mentioned earlier? Or is there something different about that arrangement that makes it more legitimate from a tax perspective?

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Great question! You're right that leasing TO the LLC can still trigger self-rental issues, but the key difference is the direction of the benefit and legitimate business purpose. If you lease your personal vehicle TO your LLC for legitimate business use (like delivering rental cars, meeting clients, etc.), the LLC pays you rental income and can deduct it as a business expense. The rental income you receive is taxable, but the business gets a legitimate deduction for actual business use. The problematic scenario in the original post was buying through the LLC and then "renting back" for primarily personal use - that's trying to convert personal expenses into business deductions, which is what triggers IRS scrutiny. The "personal to LLC" lease works better when: - The LLC has genuine business need for the vehicle - Rental rate reflects fair market value - Business use is properly documented - You're not trying to write off personal transportation costs But honestly, for most small operations, the standard mileage deduction on business trips using your personal vehicle is usually the cleanest approach. Less paperwork, fewer audit risks, and often comparable tax benefits without the complexity.

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NebulaNova

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I went through this exact situation with my consulting LLC last year. The complexity and potential risks really aren't worth it for primarily personal use vehicles. What I ended up doing was keeping my personal car separate and just tracking business miles with a simple app on my phone. For legitimate business trips (client meetings, picking up supplies, etc.), I claim the standard mileage deduction. It's clean, simple, and audit-friendly. The "rent from my own LLC" approach creates so many potential issues - insurance complications, documentation requirements, passive activity rule complications, and the IRS red flags that everyone mentioned. Plus, if you're audited, you'll spend way more on accounting fees defending the arrangement than you'd ever save in taxes. One other consideration nobody mentioned: if your LLC already has 4 rental vehicles, adding a 5th that's primarily for your personal use could affect your business classification with the IRS. They might start questioning whether this is truly a rental business or just a way to write off personal expenses. My recommendation? Keep it simple. Buy your personal replacement car personally, track your actual business miles, and take the standard deduction. You'll sleep better at night and avoid potential audit headaches.

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Lily Young

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was hoping to find! As someone new to business taxation, I really appreciate hearing from people who've actually been through this situation. The point about potentially affecting your business classification is something I hadn't even considered - that could create way bigger problems than just the vehicle deduction issue. I'm curious though - what app do you use for tracking business miles? I've been looking for something simple that would work well for audit documentation. Also, have you ever been questioned about your mileage deductions, or is it pretty straightforward as long as you keep good records? The more I read through this thread, the more I'm leaning toward your approach. It seems like the "keep it simple" philosophy is the way to go, especially when you're dealing with the IRS!

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