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Can I pay estimated tax by Jan 15 to avoid underwithholding penalty for W2 income?

So I wanted to check something about tax planning since my husband and I are both W2 employees. We're realizing that we probably haven't had enough withheld this year from our paychecks to cover what we'll owe. I'm wondering if we can just make an estimated tax payment on January 15th next year for whatever amount we're short to avoid getting hit with any underwithholding penalties? We've never had to do this before but our income changed a bit this year and I think we miscalculated. Any advice would be super appreciated!

You can definitely make an estimated tax payment on January 15th to help reduce or eliminate an underpayment penalty! For W-2 earners like you and your husband, the IRS looks at whether you've paid at least 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) through withholding and estimated payments. The January 15th payment would be counted toward your fourth quarter estimated payment for the prior tax year. This can help reduce the penalty, but it won't completely eliminate it if you were significantly underwithholded during earlier quarters of the year. The IRS calculates the penalty on a quarterly basis. Another option to consider: if you can adjust your W-2 withholding now and have extra taken out of your remaining paychecks this year, that's actually better than waiting for January because withholding is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if it's actually taken out mostly at the end.

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Payton Black

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Wait I'm confused... if I make enough money in Q4 from extra withholding to cover what I should have paid all year, does that really count as if I paid it evenly? That seems like a loophole! Also what about the safe harbor - is it really just 100% of last year's taxes?

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Yes, that's actually a completely legitimate strategy! The IRS treats income tax withholding as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if you have a larger amount withheld in later pay periods. This is different from estimated payments, which must be made quarterly to avoid penalties. The safe harbor is exactly as you described - 100% of your prior year's tax liability if your AGI was $150,000 or less (filing jointly), or 110% if your AGI was above $150,000. Meeting either the 90% of current year or the safe harbor amount will help you avoid the underpayment penalty.

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Harold Oh

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Amun-Ra Azra

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Did it actually work for you? Like did you end up avoiding the penalty completely? I'm in a similar situation with my spouse - both W2 but we did some freelance work this year too which complicates things.

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Summer Green

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I'm skeptical of these online tools. How does it know all the IRS rules for estimated taxes and safe harbors? Does it take into account both state and federal? My state (CA) has different rules than federal.

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Harold Oh

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It absolutely worked for me! I made the payment they recommended and didn't get hit with any penalties when I filed. The best part was knowing exactly how much to pay instead of guessing. Yes, it handles both the federal and state rules. I'm actually in California too and it calculated both my federal and CA estimated payments. It knows all the different safe harbor rules and applies them correctly based on your income level. It even showed me that I qualified for the 100% prior-year safe harbor which was cheaper than paying based on my current year's income.

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How does this actually work? Does it just redial the IRS for you or something? I've been trying to get through for days about my withholding issue.

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Darcy Moore

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Gael Robinson

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Darcy Moore

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Dana Doyle

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Another strategy: if you or your spouse still have paychecks coming this year, you can submit a new W-4 to your employer and request an additional specific dollar amount to be withheld from each remaining check. If you can withhold enough before Dec 31, that's better than the Jan 15 payment since withholding is considered to have been paid evenly throughout the year!

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Liam Duke

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Can you really just specify a random extra amount on your W-4? Like could I tell my employer to take an extra $2000 out of my last December paycheck to make up for underwithholding all year?

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Dana Doyle

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Absolutely! On the W-4 form, there's a specific line (Step 4(c)) where you can request an additional amount to be withheld from each paycheck. You can put any amount you want there - $500, $1000, $2000, whatever you need to make up your shortfall. Many people don't realize this is one of the best ways to avoid an underpayment penalty because, as I mentioned, withholding from your paycheck is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if you have a large amount withheld from your final paychecks in December.

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Manny Lark

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Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but there are some exceptions to the estimated tax penalty! If your total tax minus withholding is less than $1,000, you won't face a penalty. Also, if you had no tax liability last year (a 12-month period), you can avoid penalties regardless of this year's situation. And sometimes the IRS will waive penalties for reasonable cause like natural disasters or other unusual circumstances.

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Rita Jacobs

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There's also a special rule for higher income earners - if your AGI was over $150k last year, you need to pay 110% of last year's tax (not just 100%) to qualify for the safe harbor.

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Freya Thomsen

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Just wanted to add my experience here! I was in almost the exact same situation last year - both my spouse and I are W2 employees and we underpaid significantly. We ended up making a January 15th estimated payment, but honestly wish we had known about the W-4 strategy earlier. The January payment did help reduce our penalty, but we still owed some because the IRS calculates penalties quarterly. If you still have paychecks coming before year-end, definitely consider increasing your withholding through a new W-4 first - that's the best way to completely avoid penalties since it's treated as paid evenly throughout the year. Also, double-check if you qualify for any of the safe harbors mentioned. We found out we could have paid just 100% of our prior year's tax liability (since our AGI was under $150k) rather than trying to estimate our current year's liability, which made the calculation much simpler.

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this! I'm curious - when you made the January 15th payment, did you calculate it yourself or did you use a professional? I'm worried about miscalculating and either paying too much or too little. Also, how much of a penalty did you end up with even after the payment? Trying to figure out if it's worth the hassle or if I should just accept whatever penalty comes.

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