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Khalil Urso

Can I claim $5,000 startup costs deduction for my new LLC that's replacing my old sole proprietorship?

I've been running my small business as a sole proprietorship for quite a few years now, but earlier this year I decided to form an LLC to take everything over. The transition has been pretty smooth so far, but I'm confused about tax deductions. I heard you can deduct up to $5,000 in business startup costs when you form a new business. Since my LLC is technically a new business entity (even though it's basically continuing what I was already doing as a sole proprietorship), would I still qualify for this startup cost deduction? I've spent around $6,700 getting everything set up - legal fees, new accounts, updated marketing materials, etc. The old sole proprietorship is basically shutting down, and everything will run through the LLC going forward. Just wondering if the IRS would consider this a "new business" for the startup cost deduction or if they'd view it as just a continuation of my existing business in a different form. Anyone dealt with something similar or know the rules on this?

Myles Regis

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This is a great question about business entity changes. When you convert from a sole proprietorship to an LLC, the IRS typically views this as a continuation of the same business rather than starting a completely new one - especially if you're essentially doing the same activities. The $5,000 business startup cost deduction (under Section 195) is generally for completely new businesses. Since you're continuing the same business activities just under a different legal structure, those costs would likely be considered organizational costs rather than startup costs. The good news is you can still deduct up to $5,000 in organizational costs for creating the LLC, with any excess amortized over 15 years. The key distinction is that the expenses must be directly related to forming the LLC itself (legal fees, filing fees, etc.) rather than general business expenses that would have existed anyway.

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Brian Downey

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So does that mean the $6,700 they spent would get split somehow between immediate deduction and amortization? Also, does it matter if the LLC is taxed as a sole proprietorship or if they elected to be taxed as an S-Corp?

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Myles Regis

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Yes, they could deduct $5,000 immediately and then amortize the remaining $1,700 over 15 years. That comes out to about $113 per year for the amortized portion. The tax treatment of the LLC doesn't significantly change this particular deduction. Whether the LLC is taxed as a disregarded entity (like a sole proprietorship) or elects S-Corp taxation, the organizational costs deduction works the same way. What does change with different tax elections are things like self-employment tax treatment and how owner compensation is handled.

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Cass Green

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One thing nobody mentioned is that if you elected to have your LLC taxed as an S-Corp instead of staying as a disregarded entity, that might actually affect how some of these costs are treated. When I made the switch, my accountant had me split the costs between organizational expenses for the LLC itself and a separate category for the S-Corp election. Also make sure you're tracking ongoing annual expenses separately - like your LLC renewal fees which are just regular business expenses each year after formation.

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Does the $5,000 limit apply separately to LLC formation costs and S-Corp election costs? Or is it a combined limit? I'm planning to make both changes at once.

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Cass Green

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The $5,000 deduction limit applies separately. You can deduct up to $5,000 for LLC organizational costs under Section 248 and potentially another $5,000 for S-Corp organizational costs under Section 248. This is a nuance many people miss. The key is proper documentation and timing. Make sure you have clear records showing which expenses were for forming the LLC entity itself versus those related specifically to the S-Corp election. Your operating agreement, articles of organization, and S-Corp election documents should all be carefully preserved with their associated costs.

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Madison Tipne

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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm trying to do my taxes myself this year and I'm not sure if the software will know how to handle these organizational costs correctly or if I need to manually override something?

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I tried using TurboTax for this exact situation last year and it was painful. The business version does have sections for organizational costs but it asks questions in a confusing way. I ended up having to manually enter things as "other expenses" and then attach a statement explaining what they were. Would not recommend for this specific situation.

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Malia Ponder

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I see a lot of detailed responses here already but wanted to add that timing matters too. If you formally dissolved your sole proprietorship and formed the LLC as a completely separate entity with new EIN, business accounts, etc., you might have a stronger case for treating it as a new business eligible for startup costs rather than just organizational costs. Did you completely close out the sole prop and start fresh, or was it more of a conversion? That distinction can matter for how the IRS views it.

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Khalil Urso

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It was more of a conversion rather than a complete shutdown and restart. I didn't get a new EIN since the LLC is a single-member LLC that's disregarded for tax purposes. I did open new bank accounts and update all my business documentation, but the actual business activities remained the same without interruption. From what everyone's saying, it sounds like I should focus on the organizational costs deduction rather than startup costs. I'm separating out the legal fees, filing fees, and other costs directly related to forming the LLC structure itself, which seems to be the right approach.

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Daryl Bright

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That's exactly the right approach, Khalil! Since you kept the same EIN and it's a single-member LLC taxed as a disregarded entity, the IRS will definitely view this as a continuation of your existing business rather than a startup. Your $6,700 in formation costs should be treated as organizational expenses under Section 248. You can deduct $5,000 immediately and amortize the remaining $1,700 over 15 years (about $113 annually). Make sure to keep detailed records separating the LLC formation costs (legal fees, state filing fees, operating agreement drafting) from any regular business expenses you might have incurred during the transition. One tip: if you had any costs related to transferring assets from the sole prop to the LLC (like updating contracts or transferring licenses), those might be treated differently than the pure organizational costs, so keep those receipts separate as well.

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