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Diego Fernández

Can 2023 self-employment taxes paid in 2024 be deducted from 2024 income?

I worked for myself throughout 2023 and barely scraped by financially. When tax time came around in April 2024, I filed on time but couldn't pay the $13,500 I owed in self-employment taxes right away. I ended up using the 6-month extension and finally paid off the full amount last month. Now I'm wondering - can I deduct that $13.5k payment from my 2024 income when I file taxes next year? My income is a bit better this year, and that deduction would really help me out. Anyone know if tax payments themselves can be deducted in the year they're paid rather than the tax year they're for?

No, you can't deduct federal income taxes or self-employment taxes on your federal return, regardless of when you pay them. The taxes you owed for 2023 were based on your 2023 income, and the fact that you paid them in 2024 doesn't make them deductible on your 2024 return. However, there is a bright side! You can deduct 50% of your self-employment tax on your federal income tax return. This deduction is calculated on Schedule SE and then transferred to Schedule 1 of your Form 1040. But this would have already been part of your 2023 tax calculation, not something additional you can claim for 2024. If you're looking for deductions for 2024, focus instead on business expenses, retirement contributions, health insurance premiums (if self-employed), and home office deductions if applicable.

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Wait, I'm confused. So none of the taxes I pay are deductible ever? What about state income taxes? I thought those were deductible on federal returns?

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You're right to ask about state taxes! State income taxes can be deductible, but only if you itemize deductions on Schedule A rather than taking the standard deduction. It's part of the SALT (State And Local Tax) deduction, which is currently capped at $10,000. This includes state income taxes, local income taxes, real estate taxes, and property taxes combined. Most people find the standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2023, $14,600 for 2024) more beneficial than itemizing unless they have significant mortgage interest, charitable contributions, and other itemizable deductions along with their state taxes.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're self-employed, you should definitely be making quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid this problem in the future. Pay as you go through the year (April, June, Sept, and Jan of the following year) and you won't end up with a huge bill at tax time. I learned this the hard way too. Got hit with a $8k tax bill my first year of self-employment and couldn't pay it all at once. Now I put aside 25-30% of every payment I receive and make quarterly payments. No more surprises!

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Do you set aside a separate bank account for this? I've tried to do quarterly payments but always end up spending the money I should be saving for taxes.

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Yes, I have a separate savings account specifically for taxes! This was game-changing for me. Every time I get paid, I immediately transfer 30% to this account. I don't even think of that money as mine - it's already the government's money that I'm just holding temporarily. Some banks let you create sub-accounts with different names, which helps mentally. I named mine "NOT MY MONEY - TAXES" to remind myself not to touch it except for quarterly payments. Having it separate from your main checking account removes the temptation to spend it.

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Don't forget that if you paid penalties and interest on your 2023 taxes, those are treated differently than the tax itself. While the $13,500 tax payment isn't deductible on your 2024 return, any interest you paid on late taxes might be deductible if you itemize. Penalties are never deductible though. If you paid through the IRS payment system, you should be able to see the breakdown of what portion was tax, what was penalty, and what was interest. Might be a small silver lining!

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Wait really? Interest on tax payments can be deducted? That's amazing, I paid about $400 in interest because I was on a payment plan. Do you know which form this goes on?

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