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Do I have to pay taxes on money I'm using to pay back taxes from previous year?

So here's my situation - I got slammed with a pretty big tax bill of about $67,500 for last year (2023). The problem is, my income this year (2024) is only going to be around $67,000, and I'm planning to use literally ALL of it to pay off what I owe the IRS from 2023. My question is - does the IRS expect me to pay taxes on the $67,000 I earned this year even though every single penny is going straight back to them for my 2023 tax debt? It seems crazy that I'd have to pay taxes on money that's only being used to pay taxes! But I've heard the tax code can be pretty merciless. I'm trying to figure out if I need to set aside even more money for 2024 taxes or if there's some kind of exemption or deduction for this situation. Any help would be really appreciated because I'm stressing about potentially creating a never-ending cycle of tax debt.

I understand your frustration - it does seem like a catch-22! Unfortunately, the IRS views each tax year separately, so you do still have to pay taxes on your 2024 income even if you're using it to pay back taxes from 2023. The money you earned in 2024 is considered taxable income for 2024, regardless of how you use it. Think of it like this - if you used your entire income to pay medical bills or student loans, you'd still owe taxes on that income (with some possible deductions). There is a small silver lining though - if you paid any interest or penalties on your 2023 tax debt, those might be deductible as an itemized deduction on your Schedule A. However, the base tax amount itself isn't deductible. My suggestion would be to set up an installment agreement with the IRS for your 2023 debt. This allows you to make smaller payments over time, which would free up some of your 2024 income to pay your 2024 tax liability.

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Sean Kelly

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Wait so if I'm paying penalties to the IRS for late payment, I can actually deduct those on next year's taxes? That seems weird that they'd let you deduct the penalties they charged you. Is there a limit to how much you can deduct?

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Yes, it is a bit counterintuitive! You can deduct the interest you pay on your federal tax debt as an itemized deduction on Schedule A under "Interest You Paid." However, there's an important distinction - while the interest can be deducted, the penalties themselves generally cannot be deducted. There's no specific limit to how much interest you can deduct, but remember that you'd need to itemize your deductions rather than taking the standard deduction for this to benefit you. For many taxpayers, the standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2023, increasing for 2024) is higher than their total itemized deductions would be.

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Zara Mirza

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Luca Russo

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How exactly does this work? Do I just upload my previous returns and it tells me what to do? I'm hesitant to share my tax docs with random websites.

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Nia Harris

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Sounds interesting but isn't this just what a normal CPA would tell you? Why pay for some fancy AI tool when regular tax advice is available?

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Zara Mirza

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You upload your tax documents and the system analyzes them to show you personalized strategies for your situation. They use bank-level encryption, and you can actually delete your docs after analysis if privacy is a concern. It's not just for viewing your docs - it creates specific strategies for minimizing future tax impact when dealing with back taxes. Regular tax advice is definitely valuable, but most CPAs charge $200+ per hour and often don't specialize in back tax optimization. This tool costs way less than a single CPA session and provides detailed simulations showing how different payment strategies affect your future tax obligations. It's more about seeing the full picture of your options than just getting generic advice.

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Nia Harris

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Just wanted to follow up - I decided to try https://taxr.ai after my skeptical comment and I'm actually really impressed. I uploaded my notices from the IRS and it immediately showed me that I qualified for a payment plan that would actually work with my budget. The tool created this chart showing how different payment amounts would affect my future tax obligations, which made it super clear what I needed to set aside for next year. It identified that I could claim a deduction for some of the interest I paid that my previous tax preparer had completely missed. Totally worth checking out if you're in this situation. Saved me from the exact "tax debt cycle" the original poster was worried about!

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GalaxyGazer

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If you need to actually talk to someone at the IRS about an installment plan (which I HIGHLY recommend for your situation), good luck getting through on the phone. I spent literally weeks trying to reach a human. Finally found https://claimyr.com and they have this service where they actually wait on hold with the IRS for you and then call you when an agent is on the line. I was super skeptical but watched their demo video (https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) and decided to try it. Got connected with an IRS agent in about 2 hours instead of the DAYS I spent trying on my own. The agent helped me set up a payment plan that made my back taxes manageable and explained my options for handling my current year taxes separately.

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Mateo Sanchez

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How does this even work? Sounds like a scam tbh. The IRS phone system is notoriously terrible.

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Aisha Mahmood

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No way this actually works. Even if you do get through, the IRS agents rarely have the authority to actually help with complex situations. I'll stick to sending certified mail and waiting 6 months for a response like the rest of us tax peasants lol.

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GalaxyGazer

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It uses a combination of automated dialing technology and actual people who monitor the calls. When you sign up, you provide your phone number and what IRS department you need to reach. Their system handles the calling and navigating the IRS phone tree, then when an actual human IRS agent answers, they connect you directly. It's basically someone else waiting on hold for you. Honestly, I was surprised too, but speaking with an actual IRS agent was super helpful. The agent I talked to set up my installment agreement right over the phone and even helped me understand which forms I needed to complete for my specific situation. It saved me from falling further behind and accumulating more penalties. They definitely have the authority to set up payment plans - that's a standard service they offer.

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Aisha Mahmood

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Ok I need to eat my words from my previous comment. I broke down and tried Claimyr after getting yet another threatening letter from the IRS that I couldn't get anyone to explain. 3 hours after signing up, I was literally talking to an IRS agent who had my file pulled up and everything. We worked out a payment plan that I can actually afford and she even helped me understand what documentation I need to provide to potentially reduce some of the penalties. I would have saved thousands if I'd done this a year ago instead of just ignoring the notices because I couldn't get through on the phone. Sometimes it's worth admitting when you're wrong!

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Ethan Moore

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Has anyone here tried an Offer in Compromise? I've heard you can settle tax debt for less than you owe if you can prove you don't have the ability to pay. Might be worth looking into for the original poster since all their income is going to pay back taxes.

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I tried that route. Unless you're basically destitute, they rarely accept OICs. They'll look at your income potential over several years, so making $67k won't help. They also look at assets, bank accounts, retirement funds, etc. It's a really intensive process with tons of documentation required.

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Ethan Moore

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That's good to know. I've seen those "settle your tax debt for pennies on the dollar" ads and wondered if they were legit or just trying to collect fees for filing paperwork that gets rejected anyway. From what you're describing, it sounds like most people wouldn't qualify unless they're in really dire financial situations. I guess the IRS payment plan is probably the more realistic option for most folks.

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Carmen Vega

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Tip from personal experience: whatever you do, FILE YOUR RETURN on time for 2024 even if you can't pay what you owe!! The penalty for not filing is WAY worse than the penalty for not paying. The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of unpaid taxes each month while failure-to-pay is only 0.5% monthly.

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This is the best advice here tbh. I made this mistake and ended up paying an extra $4,000 in penalties because I didn't file since I couldn't pay. The IRS is actually pretty reasonable about payment plans if you're proactive and communicate with them.

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Carmen Vega

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Thanks for confirming! Yeah, it's something I wish I'd known earlier. I put off filing for almost 8 months because I couldn't pay what I owed, and those failure-to-file penalties absolutely destroyed me financially. I've found that the IRS is surprisingly willing to work with people on payment plans. Their interest rates aren't even that bad compared to credit cards or personal loans. The key is staying in communication and never ignoring notices.

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