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Bought a house with a $240k IRS tax lien at auction - need advice on removal options

Title: Bought a house with a $240k IRS tax lien at auction - need advice on removal options 1 I just won a property at a county tax auction and now I'm going through the quiet title process. Everything was going smoothly until my attorney discovered there's a $240k federal tax lien on the property. Talk about a nasty surprise! The previous owner is deceased according to what my lawyer found out. I'm planning to fix up the house and flip it for resale, but obviously this lien is a major obstacle. I'm thinking about writing a letter to the IRS explaining that I've been a reliable taxpayer for over 40 years and requesting they consider removing or at least reducing the tax lien since I purchased the property without knowledge of it. I'm completely new to this situation and don't know what my options are or how receptive the IRS might be to such a request. Has anyone dealt with something similar or have advice on approaching the IRS about this? I'd really appreciate any guidance on how to handle this situation!

Ev Luca

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8 This is unfortunately a common issue with tax auction properties. The IRS lien follows the property regardless of ownership changes, unlike some other liens that can be wiped out in certain foreclosure situations. Your best option is likely to apply for a Certificate of Discharge from the IRS. This doesn't eliminate the tax debt, but can remove the specific property from the lien. You'd generally need to demonstrate that the government's interest in the property has no value or pay the IRS an amount equal to their interest in the property. Since the previous owner is deceased, this might actually work in your favor. Form 14135 (Application for Certificate of Discharge) is what you'll need. Be prepared to provide documentation about the property value, the purchase price you paid, and any other liens or encumbrances.

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12 Thank you for the response! Quick question - if I go the Certificate of Discharge route, am I likely to have to pay the full $240k? Or is there some formula they use to determine what's fair given I had no knowledge of the lien when purchasing? Also, how long does this process typically take? I'm worried about carrying costs while this gets resolved.

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8 You typically wouldn't pay the full lien amount. The IRS is generally looking to recover what they can from their interest in the property. They'll consider the equity in the property after accounting for purchase price and other superior liens. In your case, they might accept the difference between what you paid at auction and the fair market value of the property. The timeline varies significantly based on your local IRS office's workload and the complexity of your case. It typically takes 30-60 days after submitting a complete application, but can take longer. I'd recommend working with a tax attorney who specializes in IRS liens to guide you through this process and potentially expedite it.

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15 I was in almost the exact same situation last year! The quiet title process revealed a huge IRS lien on a property I bought at a sheriff's sale. After weeks of stressing, I found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it was a game-changer. They analyzed my purchase documents and tax situation, then helped me prepare the discharge application properly. The key was documenting everything correctly - they showed me how to demonstrate that the property had limited equity after accounting for my purchase price and helped me organize all the supporting documentation the IRS would need. Their automated process flagged several issues in my initial application that would have caused delays.

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19 Did they handle the actual communication with the IRS or just prepare your documents? I'm wondering if they deal directly with the IRS or just help with preparation. Also, were you able to get the lien removed completely or did you still have to pay something?

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22 I'm skeptical about these services. How much did they actually help versus what a regular tax attorney would do? And how long did the whole process take even with their help? I've heard horror stories about waiting 6+ months with these lien discharge requests.

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15 They primarily helped with document preparation and making sure everything was properly filled out for the discharge application. They don't communicate with the IRS directly on your behalf, but they made sure I included all the right documentation and framed my case in the most favorable way possible. I still had to pay a portion of the lien - about 30% of the difference between my purchase price and the property's market value. The biggest difference from a regular attorney was the cost and their specialized experience with tax liens specifically. They had templates and processes designed exactly for my situation, whereas a general tax attorney might handle these cases only occasionally. The whole process took about 10 weeks from application to receiving the discharge certificate, which was faster than I expected based on other stories I'd heard.

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22 Update on my situation: I decided to try taxr.ai after my initial skepticism, and I'm really glad I did. Their document analysis caught several issues with my application that would have caused problems. The key thing they helped me understand was that for auction properties, the IRS discharge process focuses on what they call the "government's interest" in the property. Their system showed me exactly how to document the property's condition (with the right kind of photos and contractor estimates) to demonstrate the limited equity available. This made a huge difference - I ended up paying about 25% of what I initially thought I'd have to pay to get the lien discharged. The discharge came through last week, and now I can move forward with my renovation plans without that $200k+ cloud hanging over me.

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17 If you're trying to resolve this tax lien issue, you NEED to actually speak with someone at the IRS, which is nearly impossible these days. After getting disconnected 9 times and spending hours on hold, I found Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) and they got me through to an actual IRS agent in under 45 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c For property lien issues, you need to speak with someone in the Advisory unit, which has its own special queue that's even harder to reach than the main IRS line. The Claimyr service called and navigated all the phone trees, then called me when they had an agent on the line. The agent I spoke with explained my discharge options and even scheduled me for an appointment with a local Advisory specialist who helped fast-track my application.

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Ev Luca

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6 Wait, how does this service actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you or what? I'm confused about how they can get through when nobody else can. Sounds like magic or something fishy.

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22 Sorry, but this sounds too good to be true. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impenetrable. I spent THREE DAYS trying to reach someone about my lien issue. You're saying this service somehow cuts through all that? And they just happen to know which department handles property liens? I'll believe it when I see it.

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17 They use an automated system that persistently calls and navigates the IRS phone menus, then stays on hold so you don't have to. When they reach a human agent, they conference you in. It's not magic - just technology that handles the frustrating part of getting through the phone system. Yes, they specifically can target different departments like Advisory or Collections based on what you need. They have the whole IRS phone tree mapped out and automated. When I needed to reach Advisory for my lien issue, I specified that in my request and they knew exactly which options to select in the phone system to reach that department.

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22 I need to publicly eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it as a last resort when my discharge application stalled because of a documentation question. I couldn't get anyone on the phone to clarify what they needed. The service got me through to an IRS Advisory specialist in about 35 minutes (I was expecting to wait on hold for hours). The agent explained exactly what supporting documentation was missing from my application and even gave me her direct fax number to send the additional items. Two weeks later, my discharge was approved. For anyone dealing with a federal tax lien on a property, being able to actually speak with someone who can explain the specific requirements for your situation makes all the difference. Lesson learned - sometimes services that sound too good to be true actually deliver.

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3 Just as a heads up, writing a "kind letter" asking the IRS to remove the lien because you've been a good taxpayer isn't going to work. The IRS doesn't have the authority to just forgive tax debt because someone new bought the property. They're bound by specific regulations. Your options are basically: 1. Pay off the lien (probably not feasible at $240k) 2. Apply for a Certificate of Discharge (as others mentioned) 3. Try to negotiate an Offer in Compromise with the IRS (unlikely in your specific situation) 4. Sell the property subject to the lien (which will dramatically reduce what you can get for it

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Ev Luca

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9 Could they also try to get the IRS to subordinate their lien instead of a full discharge? I've heard this can sometimes be easier to get approved if you're planning renovations that will increase the property value.

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3 Yes, subordination is another option, particularly if you're planning significant renovations. With subordination, the IRS doesn't remove their lien but agrees to take a secondary position behind another lender. This could allow you to get renovation financing or a new mortgage on the property. For this to work, you'd need to demonstrate that the improvements will increase the property value enough that it ultimately benefits the IRS's position as well. Form 14134 is used for subordination requests. Like with discharge applications, documentation of your renovation plans and projected value increase will be critical.

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Ev Luca

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10 My brother went through this exact situation! The key thing that worked for him was clearly documenting the property's condition with detailed photos and repair estimates. He was able to show that the "as-is" value of the property was much lower than the after-repair value, which helped with the discharge application. Also, definitely work with a tax attorney who specializes in IRS liens rather than trying to handle this yourself. My brother tried the DIY approach first and wasted 3 months before getting professional help. The specialist knew exactly how to structure the application and what supporting documentation would be most compelling.

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Ev Luca

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1 That's really helpful, thanks! Did your brother end up paying anything to the IRS to get the discharge, or were they able to get it completely removed because of the property condition? I'm trying to figure out what this might end up costing me beyond attorney fees.

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