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At which point is overtime not worth it due to taxes in my specific situation with multiple OT rates?

I've been picking up a ton of overtime at my job lately and I'm trying to figure out if there's a point where it stops being worth it because of how taxes work. My base pay is $42.50/hr for a standard 40-hour week. My regular schedule is 5 days at 8 hours each. Here's what my overtime situation looks like: - 1.5x pay ($63.75/hr) for 22 hours: worked two extra full shifts plus some hours after my regular shifts - 2x pay ($85.00/hr) for 3 hours after my regular shifts - 3x pay ($127.50/hr) for three full 8-hour days (24 hours total) I'm making good money, but I'm worried that at some point the extra hours might push me into a tax bracket where I'm actually taking home less money or where the extra effort isn't worth the diminishing returns. I've heard people talk about this but I don't understand how to calculate when overtime stops being worth it tax-wise. Can someone explain this to me?

The good news is that the "overtime isn't worth it because of taxes" myth is mostly false! The US has a progressive tax system with marginal tax brackets. This means only the income that falls within a specific bracket gets taxed at that bracket's rate - not your entire income. For example, if working overtime pushes some of your income from the 22% to the 24% bracket, only the amount that exceeds the 22% bracket threshold gets taxed at 24%. The rest is still taxed at lower rates. So while you might pay slightly higher taxes on the last dollars you earn through overtime, you'll never take home less money overall by working more hours. Each hour of overtime will still increase your take-home pay, though the increase might be slightly less than you'd calculate based on your gross pay. Given your various overtime rates (1.5x, 2x, and 3x), the 3x overtime is especially valuable even after taxes because the rate is so much higher than your base. The only real consideration is whether the time and effort of working those extra hours is worth what you're keeping after taxes.

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I always hear people at my job saying "don't work too much overtime or you'll make less money!" So this is actually a myth? What about deductions and credits that phase out at higher incomes? Couldn't those actually make you take home less?

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The "making less by working more" is indeed mostly a myth when it comes to income tax brackets. You'll always make more net income by earning more gross income, even if you move up a bracket. There are limited situations where earning more could reduce certain income-based benefits or credits. For example, some tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit or premium tax credits for health insurance may phase out as your income increases. But these phase-outs are gradual and usually won't completely offset the additional income you earn.

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I struggled with this same question last year when I was working crazy OT hours. I found this tool at https://taxr.ai that really helped me understand my specific situation. You can upload your paystubs and it breaks down exactly how much of each overtime hour you're actually keeping after taxes. What surprised me was seeing the actual numbers for my specific situation instead of just general advice. For example, I found out that my 2x overtime was actually giving me about 1.6x my regular hourly rate after taxes, which was still totally worth it.

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Does this tool actually work for different states? I live in California and our state taxes are crazy high compared to some other states, so I imagine my overtime calculations would be really different from someone in Texas or Florida.

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I'm always suspicious of these online calculators. How accurate is it really? Does it account for things like 401k contributions and health insurance premiums that come out pre-tax? Those make a big difference in what bracket you're actually in.

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Yes, it does work for different states! You just select your state when setting up your profile and it includes your state tax rates in all the calculations. It was spot-on for me in Illinois, which has a flat state tax, but my colleague in New York with their progressive state tax system said it was accurate for him too. It definitely accounts for pre-tax deductions like 401k and health insurance. You can either manually enter those amounts or just upload your paystub which already shows those deductions, and the tool factors them in when showing your true marginal tax rate. That's actually one of the things I found most helpful since my pre-tax deductions are pretty significant.

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I was really skeptical about what u/TaxOvertime said about that tax tool, but I decided to try it anyway because I was working 60+ hours weekly and wanted to know if I was being smart or stupid with my time. Gotta say, I was surprised. The https://taxr.ai site actually showed me that despite being in a higher tax bracket due to my overtime, I was still keeping about 68% of my 1.5x overtime pay and 72% of my 2x overtime. That was way better than I thought! The visual breakdown helped me see exactly where my money was going. Completely changed how I think about picking up extra shifts now. No more listening to the guys at work who kept saying I was "working for nothing" after hitting certain hours.

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If you're working that much overtime and worried about tax implications, another big issue is getting your tax withholding right. The IRS withholding tables aren't great at handling variable income like lots of overtime, and you might end up with too much or too little withheld. I spent HOURS trying to get someone at the IRS to help me adjust my withholding last year when I was in a similar situation. Finally found https://claimyr.com and used their service to actually get through to an IRS agent (you can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c). They connected me with someone who explained exactly how to adjust my W-4 for my overtime situation. Saved me from a huge tax bill at the end of the year since my employer was under-withholding on my OT pay.

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How exactly does this service work? Do they just wait on hold for you or something? I don't understand why I'd need a service to call the IRS when I can just do it myself.

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I'm sorry, but this sounds like a scam. Why would anyone pay a third party to call the IRS? No way this actually works. The IRS is understaffed and nobody can get through, that's just how it is. Sounds like you're trying to get people to waste their money.

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They basically have a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When they actually reach an agent, you get a call and are connected with the IRS agent directly. It saved me about 2 hours of hold time. They don't talk to the IRS for you - they just handle the waiting part. Once you're connected, it's just you talking directly to the IRS agent about your tax situation. For me, it was absolutely worth it because I'd already tried calling three times and gave up after being on hold for 45+ minutes each time.

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I need to publicly eat my words about the Claimyr service I called a scam. After my skeptical comment, I was still desperate to talk to the IRS about my tax situation with a bunch of overtime pay, so I tried it. It actually worked exactly as described. I got a text when they were nearing the front of the queue, and then got connected directly to an IRS representative who helped me figure out my withholding for my irregular income. I was on hold for maybe 2 minutes total instead of the 1+ hour I spent last time I tried calling myself (before hanging up in frustration). The IRS agent said they were getting a lot of calls through this service and that it was legitimate.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that your employer might be withholding taxes incorrectly on your overtime pay! Many payroll systems treat each paycheck as if that's what you make all year, so they might be over-withholding when you have a big overtime check. For example, if one big paycheck makes it look like you'll earn $130k annually, they'll withhold at higher rates even though your actual annual income might be much lower. You might get this back when you file your taxes, but it can make your overtime checks look smaller than they should be. Check with your payroll department about how they handle withholding on overtime.

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This happened to me last year! I got absolutely crushed on withholding for a paycheck where I worked like 30 hours of overtime. My take-home felt tiny compared to the hours I worked. Is there any way to fix this without waiting for a tax refund?

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Yes, you can adjust your W-4 to account for this! You can use the multiple jobs worksheet on the W-4 form, or you could add an additional amount on line 4(c) that you want withheld from each regular paycheck, which would allow you to reduce the withholding percentage for the overtime checks. The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator on their website that can help you figure out the right numbers to put on your W-4. Just be careful - if you reduce your withholding too much, you might end up owing at tax time.

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Just want to add something important that many people miss when talking about "is overtime worth it" - consider your EFFECTIVE tax rate vs your MARGINAL tax rate. Your effective tax rate is the total taxes paid divided by your total income, while your marginal rate is the tax on your last dollar earned. For example, if you're in the 24% bracket, your overtime isn't being taxed at 24% overall - only the portion that falls into that bracket. Your effective tax rate might only be 15-18% even if your marginal rate is 24% or higher. The 3x overtime you're getting is definitely worth it from a pure numbers perspective, but whether the time sacrifice is worth it is a different question!

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Can you give an actual example with numbers? I've heard this explained before but I still don't quite get how the brackets work in real life.

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Sure! Let's say you're single and make $50,000 in regular pay plus $20,000 in overtime for $70,000 total. For 2024 tax brackets: - First $11,000: 10% tax = $1,100 - Next $33,725 ($44,725 - $11,000): 12% tax = $4,047 - Remaining $25,275 ($70,000 - $44,725): 22% tax = $5,560 Total federal tax: $10,707 Effective rate: $10,707 ÷ $70,000 = 15.3% Even though you're "in the 22% bracket," your effective rate is only 15.3%. That last $20,000 of overtime isn't all taxed at 22% - only the portion above $44,725 is. So if you're getting 3x pay ($127.50/hr), even after taxes you're keeping roughly $108/hr on that overtime (before state taxes). Still way better than your regular $42.50/hr rate!

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This is such a helpful thread! I've been in a similar situation where I was hesitant to pick up extra shifts because of tax concerns. One thing I'd add to all the great advice here is to keep track of your year-to-date earnings throughout the year. Since you're working variable overtime, your income might fluctuate significantly from month to month. This can help you make better decisions about when to take on extra hours. Also, don't forget that overtime can sometimes push you into higher tax brackets temporarily, but it might also increase your Social Security benefits down the line since those are calculated based on your highest 35 years of earnings. With those overtime rates you're getting (especially that 3x pay!), you're definitely coming out ahead financially. The real question is just whether the work-life balance trade-off is worth it for you personally. But from a pure tax perspective, every hour you work will still put more money in your pocket.

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This is really great advice about tracking year-to-date earnings! I never thought about how overtime could actually help with Social Security benefits later on. That's kind of a nice bonus on top of the immediate pay increase. I'm curious though - when you say overtime can push you into higher tax brackets "temporarily," what do you mean by that? Are you talking about how each paycheck gets taxed, or something else? I thought tax brackets were based on your total annual income, not individual paychecks. Also, do you have any tips for tracking earnings throughout the year? I usually just look at my paystubs but I'm not great at keeping a running total of where I'm at tax-wise.

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Great question! When I say "temporarily," I'm referring to how payroll withholding works versus your actual annual tax liability. Your employer's payroll system might withhold taxes as if that big overtime paycheck represents your regular income all year long, which could mean more taxes taken out of that specific check than you'll actually owe when you file your return. For example, if you normally make $3,000/month but one month you make $6,000 due to overtime, your employer might withhold taxes as if you make $72,000/year instead of your actual lower annual income. You'd get the over-withheld amount back as a refund when you file. For tracking earnings, I just keep a simple spreadsheet with columns for pay period, regular hours, OT hours, gross pay, and year-to-date totals. I update it each payday and it helps me see patterns in my income and estimate where I'll land tax-wise by year end. Some people use apps like Mint or YNAB, but honestly a basic spreadsheet works great and takes just a few minutes each pay period.

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This has been such an eye-opening thread! I'm in a similar situation where I've been turning down overtime shifts because I was worried about getting "taxed to death" on the extra pay. Reading through all these explanations about marginal vs effective tax rates really cleared things up for me. I had no idea that only the income above each bracket threshold gets taxed at the higher rate - I thought once you hit a new bracket, ALL your income got taxed at that higher percentage! The point about tracking year-to-date earnings is brilliant too. I think I'm going to start keeping better records so I can make smarter decisions about when to pick up extra shifts throughout the year. One question I have - for someone like the OP who has multiple different overtime rates (1.5x, 2x, and 3x), would it make sense to prioritize certain types of overtime over others from a tax perspective? Or since they're all still beneficial after taxes, would you just take whatever overtime is available?

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That's exactly the misconception I had too! I used to think hitting a new tax bracket meant ALL my income got hammered at that higher rate. Once I learned it was only the amount OVER the threshold, it completely changed my perspective on picking up extra shifts. Regarding your question about prioritizing different overtime rates - from a pure tax standpoint, they're all getting taxed the same way based on your total income level. The key difference is just how much you're earning per hour after taxes. So if you have a choice between working 8 hours at 1.5x pay versus 8 hours at 3x pay, the 3x overtime will always put significantly more money in your pocket even after the same tax treatment. You'd want to prioritize the highest multiplier overtime when possible. But honestly, given how much better even the 1.5x overtime is compared to regular pay (especially after understanding the tax reality), I'd probably take whatever overtime is available. The real limiting factor becomes your personal time and energy, not the tax implications!

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I've been lurking on this thread because I'm dealing with the exact same situation! Working in manufacturing with tons of OT available but always second-guessing myself on the tax implications. What really hit home for me was the example someone gave showing that even at 3x pay, you're still keeping over $100/hour after taxes. That's more than double your regular rate even after Uncle Sam takes his cut! One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're setting aside some of that overtime money for taxes if your employer isn't withholding enough. I got burned last year when I worked a ton of OT in Q4 but my withholding was based on my regular pay rate. Ended up owing at tax time instead of getting my usual refund. But the bottom line everyone's been saying is absolutely true - you'll ALWAYS make more money by working more hours, even if you jump tax brackets. The math just doesn't work any other way with our progressive tax system. Now I just focus on whether the time away from family is worth the extra cash, not whether the taxes make it pointless.

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This is such valuable advice about setting aside money for taxes on overtime! I hadn't thought about that aspect. How much would you recommend setting aside as a percentage of the OT pay? I'm in a similar boat where I could pick up a lot of extra shifts but I want to make sure I'm not caught off guard at tax time. Did you end up having to pay penalties for under-withholding, or just the additional tax amount? Also really appreciate everyone sharing the tools and resources in this thread. It's given me the confidence to actually crunch the numbers for my specific situation instead of just avoiding overtime based on hearsay from coworkers.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually a tax preparer and see this confusion about overtime and tax brackets constantly during tax season. People come in convinced they "lost money" by working overtime, but when we run the actual numbers, they always made more. One additional point I'd make - if you're consistently working this much overtime, you might want to consider increasing your 401k contribution percentage if your employer offers it. Not only does this reduce your taxable income (which can help offset some of that bracket creep), but you're also saving more for retirement during these high-earning periods. With your 3x overtime rate especially, even maxing out your 401k contribution ($23,000 for 2024 if you're under 50) would still leave you way ahead financially compared to your base pay alone. Plus the tax-deferred savings means more of that overtime money stays in your pocket now. Just something to consider as you're clearly in a great position to build wealth with these overtime opportunities!

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This is such great advice about the 401k strategy! I never thought about using high overtime periods to really boost retirement savings. That's actually brilliant - you get the immediate tax benefit of reducing your taxable income AND you're putting away more for the future when you have the extra earning power. Quick question though - does the 401k contribution come out before or after overtime calculations? Like if I'm making $127.50/hr on that 3x overtime, does my 401k contribution reduce that specific overtime pay, or does it just reduce my overall taxable income at the end of the year? I want to make sure I understand how the timing works with payroll deductions. Also, is there a rule of thumb for what percentage to contribute when you're in these high-earning overtime situations? I've been contributing the basic amount to get my company match, but sounds like I should be thinking bigger picture here.

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