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Just wanted to add another perspective on this - I went through the exact same confusion with my NQSO sale last year. The key thing that helped me understand it was thinking of it as two separate transactions that happen to be reported on different forms: 1) The "exercise" transaction: You paid $20K to buy stock worth $92K. The $72K difference is compensation income (goes on W-2). 2) The "sale" transaction: You sold stock with a basis of $92K (your $20K cost + $72K already-taxed income) for $92K in proceeds. When you think of it this way, it makes sense that there's essentially no capital gain or loss on the sale - you're just converting already-taxed compensation income into cash. The tricky part is that most employers don't adjust the cost basis on the 1099-B to reflect the W-2 income, so you have to do it manually when filing. This is super common with NQSOs, so don't worry - you're not missing anything obvious, the reporting is just confusing by design!
This is such a helpful way to think about it! I've been stressing about this for weeks and your two-transaction breakdown makes it so much clearer. I was getting overwhelmed trying to understand why the same money seemed to appear on both forms, but separating the exercise from the sale mentally really helps. So just to confirm my understanding - the $72K on my W-2 is from the "exercise" part (getting $92K worth of stock for $20K), and then the 1099-B is just documenting that I immediately converted that $92K in stock back to $92K in cash. No wonder there's basically no gain or loss on the actual sale part! Thank you for breaking it down this way - it's going to make entering everything into my tax software much less stressful.
Just wanted to share my experience since I went through this exact same situation with NQSOs last year! The confusion you're experiencing is totally normal - the way stock options are reported across multiple forms is genuinely confusing. You're absolutely right to be concerned about double taxation, but the good news is that once you make the proper adjustments, you won't pay tax twice on the same income. Here's what I learned: The $72K that shows up on your W-2 represents the "bargain element" - essentially the difference between what the stock was worth when you exercised ($92K worth of stock) and what you paid to exercise the options ($20K). This gets treated as regular compensation income. The 1099-B is reporting the stock sale, but the cost basis needs to be adjusted to reflect that you already paid tax on $72K of that value through your W-2. So your true cost basis for tax purposes should be $92K ($20K you paid + $72K already taxed), not just the $20K shown on the form. When you file, you'll likely need to use Form 8949 to make this basis adjustment. Most tax software will guide you through this when you indicate you have stock compensation income. The end result should be little to no capital gain or loss from the actual sale, since you sold immediately after exercising. Don't stress too much - this is a very common situation and the IRS sees these adjustments all the time with employee stock options!
Don't forget to consider whether you actually NEED to file a 1065 at all. If you're a foreign partnership with no US source income, no US partners, and no effectively connected income with a US trade or business, you might not even have a filing requirement. The business being registered in Delaware doesn't automatically create a filing requirement if the actual business activities don't have US connections.
This is dangerous advice. The business is registered in Delaware, which means it's a domestic partnership for US tax purposes regardless of partner nationality. Foreign-owned but US-registered partnerships absolutely have 1065 filing requirements.
@Daniel Price is absolutely correct here. Since your LLC is registered in Delaware, it s'considered a domestic partnership for US tax purposes regardless of where the partners are located. You definitely need to file Form 1065. The foreign "partnership aspect" you mentioned might be causing some confusion, but the key factor is where the entity is organized, not the residency of the partners. Given your situation with minimal sales and operating at a loss, I d'recommend sticking with one of the budget options mentioned earlier FreeTaxUSA, (TaxHawk combined) with getting proper guidance on the foreign partner reporting requirements. Don t'risk penalties by not filing - the IRS takes partnership filing requirements seriously even for loss situations.
Based on your situation with a Delaware LLC and foreign partners, I'd recommend a two-step approach to keep costs down while ensuring accuracy: 1. First, use one of the AI guidance tools like taxr.ai that others mentioned to understand exactly what information you need for the foreign partner K-1s and withholding requirements. This will help you prepare properly before using any filing software. 2. Then use FreeTaxUSA ($60) or TaxHawk ($55) for the actual filing. Both have decent interview processes for partnerships, but having clarity on the foreign partner aspects beforehand will make the process much smoother. Since you're operating at a loss with minimal activity, the return should be relatively straightforward once you understand the foreign partner reporting requirements. The key is making sure you properly identify your foreign partners and handle any required withholding correctly - mistakes here can be costly later. If you get stuck on specific foreign partnership questions during preparation, consider using Claimyr to speak directly with an IRS agent. At $60-70 total for software plus maybe $40-50 for Claimyr if needed, you're still well under what most accountants would charge while getting professional guidance where you need it most.
This is really solid advice! I like the two-step approach you outlined. Quick question though - do you know if the AI tools like taxr.ai can help identify potential withholding requirements even for partnerships operating at a loss? I'm worried there might be some foreign partner reporting requirements I'm not even aware of that could apply regardless of profitability. Also, has anyone here actually used both the AI guidance tool AND spoken to an IRS agent through Claimyr for the same return? I'm wondering if there's overlap or if they complement each other well for complex foreign partner situations.
Has anyone actually looked at OP's investment options with Paylocity? Are they mainly target date funds or do they have some decent index fund options? The fees make a huge difference over time.
I had Paylocity HSA at my last job. Their investment options were pretty limited - mostly target date funds with expense ratios around 0.6-0.8% and a few index funds that were still more expensive than Fidelity's offerings. They also had a $1,000 minimum cash balance before investing and charged $2.95/month as an admin fee.
The investment options with Paylocity are mostly target date funds with fees around 0.7%, plus some actively managed funds with even higher expense ratios. There are only two index fund options, both with fees of about 0.35% which seems high compared to what folks are saying about Fidelity. There's also a $1,000 minimum before I can invest anything, which is pretty annoying since I'm just starting to fund this HSA. Based on all the feedback here, I think I'm gonna go with contributing through work for the FICA savings but then periodically transferring to Fidelity. Seems like the best of both worlds!
Great decision Tyler! You've got a solid plan there. Just wanted to add a few practical tips for when you start doing those transfers: 1. Keep track of your transfer dates - most HSA providers limit you to 1-2 free transfers per year, so you'll want to batch them up rather than doing frequent small transfers. 2. Consider doing your first transfer once you hit around $2,000-3,000 in your Paylocity account. This way you're past their minimum balance requirement and have a decent amount to make the transfer worthwhile. 3. When you do transfer, leave a small buffer in your Paylocity account (maybe $100-200) to cover any potential fees or timing issues with future payroll contributions. 4. Make sure to update your investment allocations in both accounts so new money gets invested automatically rather than sitting in cash. The fee difference you mentioned (0.35% vs Fidelity's zero-fee funds) will really add up over time. On a $10,000 balance, that's $35/year you're saving, and as your HSA grows to $50,000+ over the years, you'll be saving hundreds annually. Smart move!
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to HSAs and didn't even know about the transfer limits. Quick question - when you mention keeping a buffer in the Paylocity account, is that just to avoid any potential overdraft issues if there's a timing mismatch between when payroll contributions hit vs when transfers occur? Also, do you know if there are tax implications I need to worry about when doing these transfers between HSA providers?
Wait, isn't there a rule about tracing where the loan proceeds went? I thought I read somewhere that if you can trace the loan to a home purchase, the interest might be deductible regardless of what secured the loan.
No, for mortgage interest deduction, the loan MUST be secured by the residence. The "tracing" rules you're thinking of apply to investment interest expense - where interest can be deductible if the loan proceeds were used to purchase investments. But that's a completely different deduction category with different limitations.
Based on what everyone has shared here, it sounds like your SBLOC interest won't be deductible as mortgage interest since the loan is secured by your securities rather than your home. This seems to be the consistent answer from multiple sources - IRS agents, tax professionals, and analysis tools. However, I'd suggest looking into refinancing options down the road. If you can roll that $65k SBLOC balance into a mortgage refinance when rates are favorable, you could convert it to deductible mortgage interest. Given that you're paying 7.4% on the SBLOC, a refi might make sense from both a rate and tax perspective depending on where mortgage rates are when you're ready. Also worth noting - even if the interest becomes deductible through a refi, you'd need to itemize deductions for it to benefit you. With the current high standard deduction, make sure the total of your mortgage interest, property taxes, and other itemizable expenses would exceed the standard deduction amount. Keep good records of how you used the SBLOC funds in case you do decide to refinance and convert it to mortgage debt later!
This is really helpful advice, especially about tracking the documentation! I'm new to homeownership and didn't realize how important it would be to keep detailed records of how loan proceeds were used. One question about the refinancing option - when you say "roll the SBLOC into a mortgage refinance," do you mean taking out a larger mortgage to pay off the SBLOC entirely? And would timing matter much, or could this be done anytime as long as the rates make sense? Also wondering about the itemizing vs standard deduction piece. With a $490k home, property taxes alone might be pretty significant depending on location, so itemizing could potentially make sense even without the mortgage interest.
Luis Johnson
Thanks for all the helpful responses everyone! I'm feeling much more confident about this now. Just to make sure I understand the process correctly: 1. Make the two credit card payments first (through approved payment processors) 2. Wait 1-2 days for them to process and show up in my IRS account 3. Use Direct Pay for the remaining balance One follow-up question - when I'm making the credit card payments, do I need to specify which tax form they're for? I filed a 1040 with a Schedule C, so I want to make sure the payments get applied to the right place. Also, is there a way to check online that all my payments have been properly applied before the deadline? The reward calculation definitely makes sense for my situation since I'm working toward a signup bonus on one card and have a 2% cashback card for the other payment. Even with the processing fees, I'll come out ahead.
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Aria Park
ā¢Yes, you'll need to specify the tax form when making credit card payments - make sure to select Form 1040 for both payments. The Schedule C income is reported on your 1040, so that's the correct form to choose. For checking payment status, you can use the IRS "View Your Account Information" tool on their website or call the automated payment line at 1-888-353-4537. It usually takes 1-2 business days for payments to show up there. You can also check right in the Direct Pay system before making your final payment - it should show your account balance after the credit card payments have been processed. Sounds like you've got a solid plan with those signup bonuses and 2% cashback! Just make sure to keep all those confirmation numbers handy until you see everything reflected correctly in your IRS account.
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Gemma Andrews
Just wanted to chime in with my recent experience doing exactly this! I had a $6,200 tax bill last month and used two credit card payments of $2,000 each, then paid the remaining $2,200 through Direct Pay. A few practical tips from my experience: - Make sure you're using the official IRS-approved payment processors for credit cards (PayUSAtax, Pay1040, or Official Payments). Don't use any third-party sites that aren't listed on the IRS website. - Keep your browser open and take screenshots of each confirmation page immediately. I learned this after my first payment confirmation email got delayed by several hours. - The Direct Pay system is really user-friendly and will show you your updated balance after the credit card payments post, which took about 36 hours in my case. One thing I wish I'd known ahead of time - if you have a business checking account, you can also use that for Direct Pay as an additional option if needed. Might be helpful if you hit any daily limits on your personal account. The whole process was much smoother than I expected, and getting those credit card rewards definitely made the convenience fees worth it!
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Natasha Ivanova
ā¢This is exactly the kind of detailed walkthrough I was hoping to find! Thanks for sharing your real experience with the process. Quick question - when you say it took 36 hours for the credit card payments to post, was that over a weekend or during regular business days? I'm trying to time this right since my deadline is coming up soon and I want to make sure I leave enough buffer time. Also, I didn't know about being able to use a business checking account for Direct Pay - that's a great backup option to keep in mind. Did you end up needing to use that or did your personal account work fine for the remaining balance?
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