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As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to share my experience since I'm currently going through this exact process! I completed my identity verification on March 5th, so I'm now at about week 2.5 of the wait. What I find really helpful about this breakdown is understanding that there are actually distinct phases happening behind the scenes rather than just a mysterious black box of waiting. The IRS agent who handled my verification just said "up to 9 weeks" without any explanation of what actually occurs during that time. My verification was for what they called "routine identity confirmation" - no specific issues mentioned with my return, just standard security protocols. Based on everyone's shared experiences here, I'm cautiously optimistic that puts me in the 4-6 week range rather than the full 9 weeks. One thing I've noticed from reading through all these real experiences is how unreliable the official tracking tools seem to be post-verification. My WMR still shows the same generic "being processed" message it's shown since I filed, and my transcript hasn't budged. It's actually somewhat reassuring to learn that this is completely normal and that refunds often just appear without any advance warning from these systems. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about setting up daily bank account alerts after week 4 instead of obsessively refreshing WMR and transcripts. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful real-world timelines - this thread is exactly what anxious people like me need during this stressful waiting period!

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NebulaNomad

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Welcome to the community! I'm also a newcomer here and just completed my verification on March 24th, so I'm right behind you in the timeline. It's really reassuring to hear from someone who's already a few weeks into the process - your experience at week 2.5 gives me hope that the waiting isn't as bad as I initially feared. The "routine identity confirmation" reason you got sounds exactly like what they told me, and based on all the experiences shared in this thread, it definitely seems like we're both in the better 4-6 week category rather than the worst-case scenarios. I love your point about the tracking tools being unreliable - I was already starting to obsess over WMR and my transcript, but hearing that refunds often just appear without warning makes me feel better about not seeing any updates yet. I'm definitely going to follow the bank account monitoring strategy after week 4 too. Thanks for sharing your current experience - it's helpful to hear from someone who's actively going through the same process right now rather than just looking back on completed cases!

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As a newcomer to this community, thank you so much for this incredibly detailed and helpful breakdown! I just completed my identity verification on March 25th and was feeling really anxious about the "up to 9 weeks" timeline they gave me. What I find most reassuring from reading through everyone's experiences is how much more realistic the actual timelines are compared to the worst-case scenario the IRS quotes. Seeing that most people get their refunds in the 4-6 week range instead of the full 9 weeks gives me so much hope and helps me set proper expectations. My verification was for what they called "routine identity verification" - the agent said it was standard procedure with no specific issues flagged on my return. Based on all the experiences shared here, I'm optimistic that puts me in the faster processing category. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about setting up bank account alerts after week 4 instead of obsessively checking WMR and transcripts. It's amazing how many people mentioned their refunds just appeared without any warning from the tracking systems - that's both reassuring and slightly nerve-wracking at the same time! One thing I'm curious about - has anyone noticed if the IRS customer service representatives give different timeline estimates depending on when you call them during the process? I'm wondering if it's worth calling for updates after week 4 or if it's better to just wait it out based on the experiences shared here. Thanks for creating this thread and to everyone sharing their real experiences - this kind of practical, real-world information is exactly what people going through this process need to manage the stress and uncertainty!

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Do I need to file Form 5471 when closing a dormant foreign corporation as a US expat?

I'm a US expat living abroad who's been caught in a disagreement between two accountants about IRS filing requirements. While living in Thailand, I owned a dormant foreign corporation that did zero business for several years. My previous accountant always included Form 5471 following Rev Proc 97-20 (the simplified version) with my annual returns. In July 2023, I permanently closed this dormant corporation, following all Thai legal requirements to dissolve the business. Shortly after, I relocated to Vietnam (still living outside the US). When filing my 2023 taxes, my accountant told me I didn't need to include Form 5471 since the corporation had been closed before year-end. I've recently consulted a new tax preparer who says this was incorrect. They're insisting I should file a "streamlined" amendment to my 2023 return to include Form 5471 for the final year - and naturally, they want to charge me an additional $750 for this service. So my questions are: 1) Was my original accountant wrong? Do I actually need to file Form 5471 for the tax year when I closed the dormant corporation? 2) If I do need to file it, would it still be the simplified version under Rev Proc 97-20 (just page 1), or is there some special "final" version required when a foreign corporation is closed? I don't want to pay for unnecessary work, but I also want to stay compliant with my US filing obligations. Thanks for any insights!

As someone new to this community who's been dealing with international tax compliance issues, I wanted to thank everyone for this incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! Reading through all these experiences has been like getting a masterclass in foreign corporation dissolution requirements. What really stands out to me is how consistent the core advice has been across different countries and situations: - Form 5471 is absolutely required for the final year, even for dormant entities - The Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures can still be used, just add Schedule O for dissolution reporting - Shop around for quotes and avoid unnecessary "streamlined" procedures for truly dormant entities - Target the $275-350 range rather than $750+ comprehensive packages I'm particularly impressed by how many community members took the time to share detailed follow-ups about their successful outcomes. Paolo's update about finding a $275 solution instead of paying $750 really demonstrates the value of getting multiple opinions and pushing back on expensive procedures that may not be necessary. For anyone else reading this thread in the future, the key seems to be finding preparers who specifically understand Rev Proc 97-20 and can clearly explain why they're recommending their approach. The specialists who immediately grasped the dormant entity nuances were consistently more knowledgeable and cost-effective than those defaulting to expensive comprehensive solutions. This is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that makes online communities so valuable for navigating complex regulatory requirements. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences!

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QuantumQuasar

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Welcome to the community, Isabella! This thread really has become an incredible resource for anyone dealing with foreign corporation dissolution issues. What I find most valuable is how it demonstrates the importance of community knowledge sharing - so many people were initially facing the same confusion about conflicting advice from preparers, but by sharing experiences, everyone was able to make much more informed decisions. Your summary of the key takeaways is perfect and should definitely serve as a quick reference guide for future readers. The consistency of the $275-350 range across multiple countries and situations really validates that this is the appropriate cost level for straightforward dormant entity dissolutions. One thing this discussion has also highlighted for me is how many tax preparers seem to lack specific expertise in international compliance, leading them to default to expensive "one-size-fits-all" solutions rather than understanding the nuances of different situations. The preparers who immediately understood Rev Proc 97-20 and could distinguish between dormant entities versus those with unreported income were clearly the ones worth working with. Thanks for taking the time to synthesize all these experiences - it's exactly this kind of thoughtful community engagement that makes these discussions so valuable for everyone facing similar challenges!

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Sergio Neal

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As a newcomer to this community dealing with a similar situation, I wanted to add my experience with a dormant Netherlands BV that I dissolved last year. Your original accountant was definitely wrong - Form 5471 is absolutely required for the final year even for dormant corporations. However, like many others have mentioned, I'd be very cautious about that $750 "streamlined" fee. I went through this exact process and found that most preparers who immediately jumped to expensive streamlined procedures didn't fully understand the nuances of dormant entity dissolutions. The simplified Rev Proc 97-20 procedures work perfectly fine for the final year - you just need to add Schedule O to report the dissolution details. When I shopped around (after reading similar advice in other forums), I found quotes ranging from $280-380 for a straightforward amendment with Form 5471 simplified filing plus Schedule O. The preparer I chose had specific experience with Rev Proc 97-20 and immediately understood that streamlined procedures weren't necessary for a truly dormant entity with no unreported income. The key documents you'll need are certified English translations of your Thai dissolution certificate and any final tax clearances. The whole process was much more straightforward than I initially feared. Based on everyone's experiences here, definitely get at least 2-3 additional quotes before paying $750. You should be able to resolve this for well under $400 total, including translation costs.

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Ella Knight

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I'm going through the exact same frustrating situation! Filed my MA return on February 18th and I'm now at 8+ weeks with absolutely nothing but that generic "processing" status on their website. My federal refund came through in just 9 days, which makes the state delay even more infuriating. What really gets me is that I've called the MA DOR three times now and gotten three completely different explanations - first rep said "6-8 weeks is normal," second mentioned "system upgrades causing delays," and the third couldn't even find my return in their system initially (which was terrifying). It's like they're all working with different information or just making things up as they go. My refund is about $740, so definitely not something I can just write off. Reading through everyone's experiences here, it's crystal clear that Massachusetts has completely botched their processing system this year. The inconsistency is what bothers me most - some people getting refunds in a month while others wait 12+ weeks despite filing on identical dates. I'm definitely going to try that Claimyr callback service that several people mentioned since the regular phone line seems like a complete waste of time. It's honestly embarrassing that Massachusetts residents have to resort to third-party services just to get basic information about our own tax refunds from our state government. Hang in there everyone - at least we know this is a widespread systemic failure and not just individual bad luck!

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Everett Tutum

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I'm in the exact same boat! Filed my MA return on February 20th and also hitting the 8+ week mark with zero movement beyond that infuriating "processing" status. It's honestly both comforting and maddening to see so many of us dealing with this identical nightmare. I haven't even bothered calling yet after reading everyone's experiences with getting completely different (and often contradictory) information each time. My refund is around $595 so definitely worth pursuing, but it sounds like their phone reps are just as confused as we are! The efficiency gap between federal and state processing is just mind-blowing. Federal took 10 days while Massachusetts seems to be operating with technology from the stone age. I'm definitely going to try that Claimyr service too - seems like that might be our only shot at reaching someone who actually has access to real information instead of generic scripts. Thanks for sharing your experience! It really helps to know this is clearly a systematic failure on Massachusetts' part and not just random bad luck. Hopefully we'll all see some movement soon, though at this point I'm not holding my breath!

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Grace Thomas

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I'm experiencing the exact same frustrating delays with my Massachusetts tax refund! Filed on February 22nd and I'm now at 7+ weeks with just that useless "processing" status on the MA DOR website. My federal refund came through in 12 days, which makes this state delay absolutely maddening. What's really bothering me is the complete lack of transparency from Massachusetts. At least the IRS gives you actual processing codes and estimated dates, but MA just leaves you in the dark with zero useful information. I called once and got the standard "be patient, 6-8 weeks is normal" response, but clearly that timeline means nothing based on everyone's experiences here. My refund is about $650, so definitely worth following up on. Reading through all these comments, it's obvious that 2025 has been a complete disaster for MA tax processing. The inconsistency is what gets me most - some people getting refunds in 4 weeks while others wait 10+ weeks despite filing on nearly identical dates. I'm going to try that Claimyr callback service that multiple people have mentioned since the regular phone line seems completely useless. It's honestly ridiculous that Massachusetts taxpayers have to resort to third-party services just to get basic information about our own refunds from our state government. This whole system needs a complete overhaul! Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - at least we know this is a widespread systematic failure and not just individual bad luck. Hoping we all get some resolution soon!

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Elin Robinson

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I'm going through the exact same nightmare! Filed my MA return on February 19th and I'm also at the 7+ week mark with nothing but that completely unhelpful "processing" status. It's honestly both reassuring and infuriating to see so many of us stuck in this same broken system. What really gets me is how Massachusetts seems to have no accountability or transparency about these delays. My federal refund took 8 days while the state acts like 2+ months is somehow acceptable. My refund is around $710 so definitely not pocket change to just sit on indefinitely. I think I'm going to try that Claimyr service too since it sounds like that's our only real option for getting past their useless phone system. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay a third party just to get basic customer service from our own state government. Massachusetts really needs to be held accountable for this mess - this level of dysfunction is completely unacceptable for a basic government service that every taxpayer relies on! Hang in there everyone - hopefully we'll start seeing some movement soon, though at this point I'm not holding my breath given how badly they've botched everything this year.

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Abby Marshall

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is quarterly estimated tax payments. If you're making significant profits on Kalshi (like the original poster's $8,400), you might need to make quarterly estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. Since prediction market earnings are treated as "other income" and taxed at ordinary rates, they're not subject to withholding like W-2 wages. The IRS expects you to pay as you go throughout the year, not just when you file your return. If your Kalshi profits plus other income mean you'll owe more than $1,000 in taxes for the year, you should probably be making quarterly payments. This caught me off guard my first profitable year - I owed a $180 underpayment penalty even though I paid my full tax bill on time. The safe harbor rule is to pay at least 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k) through withholding and estimated payments combined. Worth calculating this if you're having a good year on prediction markets!

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This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! I learned this the hard way too. What makes it tricky with prediction markets is that your profits can be really lumpy - you might have a huge win in one quarter and losses in another, making it hard to estimate what you'll owe for the year. I've started setting aside about 25% of my net Kalshi profits each quarter in a separate savings account earmarked for taxes. Even if I don't end up owing quarterly payments, at least I have the money ready when tax time comes. Better to have the IRS owe me a refund than the other way around! For anyone just getting started with prediction markets, definitely factor this into your trading strategy. Those underpayment penalties can eat into your profits pretty quickly.

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Great point about the quarterly payments! I wish someone had told me this before I started trading on Kalshi. I had a similar experience - made about $12K in profits last year and got hit with a $250 underpayment penalty because I didn't realize I needed to make estimated payments. What's really tricky is that prediction market profits can be so unpredictable. You might crush it in Q1 with some political events, then have losses in Q2-Q3, then another big win in Q4. Makes it nearly impossible to estimate what you'll owe until the year is over. I've started using the "110% of last year's tax" safe harbor approach that @Abby Marshall mentioned - it s'the most conservative but at least I know I won t'get penalized. Anyone know if there are any tools or calculators specifically designed for handling estimated taxes with volatile income like prediction markets?

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For those asking about quarterly estimated tax tools - I've been using the IRS Form 1040ES worksheet but modified it for prediction market income volatility. What I do is calculate my estimated annual tax liability based on my regular income, then add 25-30% buffer for potential Kalshi profits. The key insight I learned is that you can adjust your quarterly payments throughout the year as your prediction market performance becomes clearer. If you overpaid in Q1-Q2 because you estimated too high, you can reduce Q3-Q4 payments accordingly. The IRS just cares that your total payments meet the safe harbor threshold by year end. One practical tip: I track my running net Kalshi profits monthly and recalculate my quarterly payment needs. This way I'm never surprised by a huge underpayment penalty. The annualized income installment method (Form 2210 AI) can also help if your income is really uneven throughout the year - it lets you match your quarterly payments to when you actually earned the income. The 110% safe harbor rule has saved me from penalties even in years when my prediction market income was all over the place.

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This is really helpful! I'm just getting into prediction markets and made my first decent profit last month ($800 on some election contracts). I had no idea about the quarterly payment requirements - I thought I could just pay everything when I file my return like I do with my regular job. The monthly tracking approach makes a lot of sense, especially since my Kalshi activity has been pretty sporadic. Some months I don't trade at all, others I might have a few big wins. Would you recommend setting up a separate bank account just for the tax money, or is tracking it in a spreadsheet sufficient? Also, when you mention the "annualized income installment method" - is that something a regular person can figure out, or do you need an accountant for that? I'm trying to stay on top of this before I get in too deep with prediction market trading.

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This thread is incredibly comprehensive and helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation with inherited Disney stock from 1992 that my grandmother left me. Reading through everyone's experiences has been reassuring that I'm not the only one finding this process overwhelming. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - if you're having trouble locating old estate documents that show the stock value at date of death, check with the probate court in the county where the estate was settled. They often maintain copies of estate inventories and appraisals that include the fair market values of securities on the date of death. This can be crucial for establishing your stepped-up basis, especially if family records are incomplete. I ended up needing this when the executor's records from 1992 were missing some key valuation documents. The probate court had everything on file and was able to provide certified copies for a small fee. It saved me from having to research historical stock prices and potentially getting the wrong basis calculation. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences with the various tools and services - it's given me confidence that there are good resources available to help navigate these complex situations without necessarily needing to hire an expensive specialist.

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Libby Hassan

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That's an excellent tip about checking with the probate court! I never would have thought of that resource, but it makes perfect sense that they would maintain those estate inventory records. Disney stock from 1992 would have gone through several splits and potentially other corporate actions over the years, so having that original valuation documentation is crucial for getting the basis calculations right. Your point about certified copies is important too - having official documentation rather than just family records could be really valuable if the IRS ever questions the stepped-up basis calculation. For inherited stock that's been held for decades, having that paper trail seems essential. I'm also new to dealing with these inheritance tax issues, but this entire thread has been like a masterclass in navigating inherited stock complications. It's amazing how many different resources and strategies people have shared - from the online calculation tools to the phone services to checking with probate courts. Thanks for adding another valuable option to the toolkit!

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I've been following this discussion as someone who went through a similar situation with inherited stock that had multiple spinoffs. One additional resource that might be helpful is to check if your state has a "deceased person's tax records" service through their Department of Revenue or similar agency. In some states, you can request copies of the decedent's final tax returns or estate tax filings, which sometimes include detailed schedules showing the fair market value of securities at death. This can provide another source of documentation for your stepped-up basis calculation, especially if other estate records are missing or incomplete. Also, I noticed several people mentioned the complexity of tracking dividend reinvestments over the years. If your UTMA account has been with the same custodian since 1997, they might have more historical data in their archives than what shows up in your standard account statements. It's worth asking specifically about their record retention policies for UTMA accounts - some firms keep detailed transaction histories going back much further than their standard reporting periods. The key is being persistent and asking the right questions. These institutions often have the information you need, but it might require speaking with someone in their specialized departments rather than general customer service.

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