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Ravi Kapoor

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Former tax preparer here. Just to reinforce what others have said - skipping filing is NEVER a good idea if you're required to file. The penalties are severe and compound quickly. Here's what you should know: if you make above certain thresholds, you must file regardless of whether you owe money or not. For 2024 (filing in 2025), a married couple filing jointly must file if their gross income is $27,700 or more. Different thresholds apply to different filing statuses. The IRS would much rather have you file and set up a payment plan than not file at all. They're actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive and honest.

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Thank you so much for this info! Do you know if there's any way to get the penalties reduced if it really was due to an employer error with the withholding? My husband asked HR to withhold additional money from each check and they apparently never set it up correctly.

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Ravi Kapoor

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You might be able to request penalty abatement, especially if this is your first time having an issue with taxes. The IRS has what's called "First Time Penalty Abatement" which can waive penalties if you haven't had any significant penalties in the past three tax years and have filed all required returns and paid (or arranged to pay) any tax due. For the employer error specifically, that's unfortunately common and usually doesn't qualify for special treatment on its own since ultimately it's the taxpayer's responsibility to verify proper withholding. However, you could request a letter from HR acknowledging their mistake, which might help support your case for penalty abatement. I'd recommend filing on time, setting up a payment plan, and then separately requesting the penalty abatement afterward.

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Freya Larsen

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I'm confused about something - can't you just file an extension if you need more time to come up with the money?

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Amina Diop

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An extension gives you more time to file your tax return (until October 15th), but it doesn't give you more time to pay what you owe. The payment is still due by the original tax deadline (usually April 15th). If you file an extension but don't pay by the original deadline, you'll still face failure-to-pay penalties and interest on the unpaid amount. However, you'll avoid the much larger failure-to-file penalties, so it's still better than not filing at all.

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Freya Larsen

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Oh that makes sense! I thought it gave you extra time for both. Thanks for explaining that - definitely good to know!

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StarStrider

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Just wanted to add - if someone has unusually high income without a clear source (like in your movie example), the IRS has a specific division that looks for these discrepancies. It's called the Wealth Squad - officially the Global High Wealth Industry Group. They specifically target high-income individuals with complex financial situations. Also, banks are required to file Suspicious Activity Reports for unusual transactions, and anyone depositing more than $10k in cash triggers a Currency Transaction Report. So someone regularly making large cash deposits without a legitimate business would definitely get flagged.

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This is super informative! I had no idea about the "Wealth Squad" - is this something regular people with side businesses need to worry about? Or is it more for super wealthy individuals? Like what's the threshold where they start getting interested?

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StarStrider

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The Wealth Squad typically focuses on individuals with income or assets over $10 million, so most regular people with side businesses wouldn't be on their radar specifically. However, anyone with unusual income patterns can still trigger standard IRS compliance flags. For more typical side businesses, it's the regular IRS examination divisions that might notice discrepancies. The important thing is maintaining good records that show the source of your income and legitimate business expenses. Unexplained deposits or lifestyle expenses that don't match reported income are what typically trigger closer examination, regardless of income level.

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Yuki Sato

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For the character in the movie, they'd probably be using shell companies and money laundering tbh. Movie characters always seem to have these elaborate financial setups that wouldn't work irl. In reality, the IRS would ABSOLUTELY notice someone with multiple properties and luxury spending with no visible income source. My cousin tried not reporting some side income from online sales thinking it was "too small to matter" and ended up with a $8k penalty. And that was just for like $30k in unreported income!

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Carmen Ruiz

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True about shell companies! I work in banking and you wouldn't believe how sophisticated some fraud schemes are. But even with elaborate setups, people eventually slip up. Either they can't resist flaunting wealth or they make a reporting mistake. That's usually how they get caught.

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Don't forget about the state extension too! In many states, the federal extension automatically extends your state filing deadline too, but some states require a separate extension form. Google "[your state] tax extension" to make sure you're covering both bases.

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Do you know if California requires a separate extension filing?

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California automatically grants you the same extension as federal (6 months) without requiring a separate form - but ONLY if you don't owe additional tax. If you do owe CA tax, you need to file Form FTB 3519 and make a payment by the original due date to avoid penalties. New York also gives an automatic extension matching the federal timeframe. Texas doesn't have state income tax so no worries there. Most states follow federal extensions but there are definitely exceptions, so always double-check your specific state's requirements.

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I know most people are saying use the IRS Free File for extensions, but honestly just go through TaxAct or TaxSlayer. They let you file extensions completely free without income restrictions and their interface is wayyy more user friendly than the IRS direct option.

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TaxAct tried to charge me last year when I went to submit the extension. Did you actually get through the whole process for free?

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Rachel Clark

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - you should keep track of what you THINK each client will be reporting on the 1099 based on what you were paid. I've had several clients make mistakes on 1099s (reporting too much or too little), and it's much easier to catch and fix before you file your taxes. Just a simple spreadsheet with client name, amount paid, and whether you received a 1099 can save you major headaches.

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Do you have a template for this spreadsheet you could share? I'm doing freelance work for the first time this year and I'm trying to get organized before tax season.

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Rachel Clark

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I don't have a template to share but it's pretty simple to create. I just use columns for: Client Name, Project Description, Date Paid, Amount, Payment Method, W-9 Submitted (Y/N), 1099 Expected (Y/N), and 1099 Received (Y/N). I also have a separate tab for business expenses with columns for: Date, Vendor, Description, Amount, Payment Method, and Category (like "Software," "Equipment," etc). Nothing fancy but it keeps everything organized when it's time to do taxes.

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Mia Alvarez

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Anyone else getting anxiety from this thread?? I've been doing small freelance jobs for years and never filled out a W-9 or reported any of it. Mostly small stuff under $500 per client. Am I screwed???

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Technically you're supposed to report all income, even small amounts. But realistically the IRS is more concerned with larger amounts. You should definitely start reporting your income going forward though. The IRS has been increasing focus on gig/freelance work.

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Daniel White

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If your employer won't provide the 1099, you should also consider filing Form SS-8 with the IRS. It sounds like you might have been misclassified as an independent contractor when you should have been an employee. Delivery drivers often get misclassified. Real employees should get W-2s, not 1099s, and the employer pays half of your Social Security and Medicare taxes. If you were misclassified, you're overpaying on self-employment taxes and missing out on protections. Filing the SS-8 asks the IRS to determine your correct worker status. It takes a while for them to process, but it could save you a lot in taxes if they determine you should have been an employee.

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Gianna Scott

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That's really interesting - I didn't realize I could challenge my classification. The owner did control my schedule completely and I used his truck, not my own vehicle. Does filing the SS-8 cause problems with filing my current return, or can I still go ahead and file using the income as self-employment while the SS-8 is being processed?

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Daniel White

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You can absolutely file your current return while the SS-8 is being processed. In fact, you can file Form 8919 "Uncollected Social Security and Medicare Tax on Wages" along with your return if you believe you were misclassified. Use code G in column C which indicates you filed Form SS-8 but haven't received a determination. This approach allows you to only pay the employee portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes (7.65%) instead of the full self-employment tax rate (15.3%). If the IRS later determines you were correctly classified as an independent contractor, you may need to pay the difference, but if they determine you were misclassified, you've already filed correctly.

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Nolan Carter

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Did you have any kind of written contract with this guy? I once had an employer ghost me on tax forms and having our contract was super helpful when I had to prove my income to the IRS.

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Having a contract is definitely helpful, but even text messages or emails discussing pay rates and work arrangements can serve as evidence of the working relationship. The IRS understands that not all independent contractor relationships have formal paperwork.

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