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A quick tip if you don't want to use any external services - look at your tax return line by line and compare it to what it would be without certain credits or deductions. Most tax software has a feature that lets you try different scenarios without actually changing your return. For example, in TurboTax, you can go to the "What-If Scenarios" tool and see how your return would change if you removed certain deductions or credits. The difference in refund amount shows you the exact value of that particular credit or deduction.
Where exactly is the What-If Scenarios tool in TurboTax? I'm looking through the menus but can't seem to find it anywhere. Is it only in certain versions like Premier or Self-Employed?
It's available in the Deluxe version and higher. Look under the "Tax Tools" section on the left navigation panel. If you're using the online version, you might find it under "Tools" or sometimes they call it "Tax Planner" instead of "What-If Scenarios." If you can't find it, another approach is to make a copy of your return (there should be an option for this) and then modify the copy by removing one credit at a time to see how it affects your refund.
Does anyone know if the IRS ever provides this breakdown when they send your refund? Like some kind of statement that says "You received $X for Child Tax Credit, $Y for Earned Income Credit" etc.? In Canada, their tax agency sends a detailed explanation with the refund payment, wondering if the IRS does something similar.
No, the IRS doesn't provide that level of breakdown with your refund deposit or check. They'll send you a notice confirming your refund amount was processed, but it doesn't break down which credits contributed what amount. The only way to get that detailed info is either through your tax software analysis, manually calculating it yourself by looking at your forms, or contacting the IRS directly and asking an agent to walk through it with you.
The way I understand it, the AOTC counts your years differently than your school does. For example, I was part-time for 3 years, but the IRS only counted that as 1.5 years of education for AOTC purposes. This might be why you're confused. Check out IRS Publication 970 for the exact rules. For the AOTC vs Lifetime Learning Credit decision, AOTC is almost always better if you're eligible because it's partially refundable.
Is there any official calculator or tool from the IRS to figure this out? I've read Pub 970 but it's still confusing with all the exceptions and special cases.
Unfortunately there's no official IRS calculator specifically for determining your year of education. Publication 970 is the main source, but you're right that it can be confusing. The basic rule is that you need to count academic periods when you were enrolled at least half-time in a degree program. If you're really unsure, the IRS Interactive Tax Assistant (ITA) on their website can help determine if you're eligible for either credit, though it won't specifically tell you what "year" you're in. TurboTax and other tax software also usually have built-in tools to help figure this out based on your answers to their questions.
Make sure you keep all your receipts for required textbooks and course materials too! Those count as qualified education expenses for both credits. I almost missed out on claiming an extra $800 in expenses because I forgot about all the access codes and online materials I had to buy that weren't included in my tuition.
Wait what? I thought only tuition and fees on the 1098-T counted! You're saying I can claim the $400 I spent on required textbooks too??
Don't forget unreimbursed job expenses if either of you is a qualified performing artist, fee-basis state or local government official, or an employee with disability-related work expenses. Most other unreimbursed job expenses aren't deductible anymore for W2 employees unfortunately. Also, if either of you paid student loan interest (up to $2,500), that's an adjustment to income rather than an itemized deduction, but still worth claiming!
Thanks for mentioning student loan interest! We both finished paying ours off last year, so we might be able to deduct the interest from those final payments. Is that something we report on a different form than the itemized deductions?
Student loan interest is reported on Schedule 1 as an adjustment to income (sometimes called an "above-the-line deduction"), which means you can claim it even if you take the standard deduction. It's not part of your itemized deductions at all. You should receive Form 1098-E from your loan servicer showing how much interest you paid. The deduction starts phasing out at higher income levels though, so depending on your combined income, you might get a partial deduction or none at all.
Don't bother with itemizing unless your total exceeds the standard deduction by a significant amount. I spent hours tracking everything down last year and ended up saving only $340 by itemizing. Not worth the hassle or audit risk imo.
This is bad advice. The OP already said their mortgage interest alone exceeds the standard deduction. Plus, if you're close to the line, itemizing state taxes and charitable giving can easily push you over. Missing legitimate deductions is literally giving away your money.
Just to add another perspective - I extend every single year and have for the past decade. I'm a small business owner, and my K-1s never arrive before the April deadline. Here's what I do: 1. I make a conservative estimate of what I'll owe (usually overestimating slightly) 2. I pay that amount with my extension request (Form 4868) 3. I file my actual return in September when I have everything I've never once paid a penalty because I'm careful to pay enough with the extension. The key thing most people miss is that an extension is only for FILING, not for PAYING.
Do you use a tax professional to help with the estimate or do you just figure it out yourself? I'm worried about getting the estimate wrong.
I work with my accountant to make the estimate, but you could definitely do it yourself if you understand your tax situation well. The safest approach is to slightly overestimate what you'll owe. If you end up overpaying, you'll just get that money back as a refund when you file your actual return. For a DIY approach, you can use your previous year's tax return as a starting point and adjust for any major changes in income or deductions. The IRS mainly wants to see that you're making a good faith effort to pay what you reasonably believe you'll owe.
Whatever you do, DON'T just pay $1 with your extension if you know you'll owe $54k. That's a recipe for disaster with penalties and interest. The failure-to-pay penalty is usually 0.5% of unpaid taxes per month, and interest compounds daily on top of that! A better strategy would be to either pay the full amount you expect to owe with your extension OR set up an installment plan with the IRS. They're actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive.
True. I owed about $35k two years ago and couldn't pay it all at once. Set up an installment plan and the process was surprisingly easy. Just had to fill out Form 9465 and was approved pretty quickly.
Sophia Carter
One thing to watch out for when paying amended returns with credit cards - make sure you select the right tax year and form type. I made a payment through payusatax.com for my amended 2020 return, but I accidentally selected just regular "Form 1040" instead of "Form 1040-X" or "Amended Return" in the payment options. It took the IRS over 3 months to properly apply my payment since it wasn't immediately clear it was for an amended return. I had to call them multiple times to get it sorted out. So double check all your selections before submitting the payment!
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Chloe Zhang
•Does selecting the wrong option cause interest to keep accruing in the meantime? I'm already paying a pretty big amount for my amended return from 2020 and don't want to get hit with even more interest and penalties.
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Sophia Carter
•Yes, unfortunately. Since the payment wasn't properly applied right away, the IRS system didn't recognize that I had paid, so interest continued to accrue for about 2 months until they sorted it out. I did eventually get them to remove the additional interest charges since I could prove I made the payment on time, but it took multiple phone calls and a formal request. The whole hassle could have been avoided if I had just selected the correct form type during the payment process.
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Brandon Parker
Has anyone actually calculated if the convenience fee is worth it compared to just writing a check? I'm curious because I have to pay about $1,300 for my amended 2020 return, and the fee seems kind of high just to get some credit card points.
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Adriana Cohn
•It really depends on your credit card rewards. The fee is usually around 1.96-2.20% depending on which service you use. So on $1,300, you're looking at roughly $25-29 in fees. If your card gives you 2% cash back, you're basically breaking even. If you get more (like with travel rewards cards), you might come out ahead. For me, the bigger value was being able to delay the actual payment until my credit card bill was due, giving me another 3-4 weeks to come up with the money. That flexibility was worth the small fee.
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