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Andre Dupont

How many years back do I need to go when filing unfiled tax returns for a client?

Hey everyone, I'm in a bit of a situation with a new client and could use some advice. This person hasn't filed tax returns for somewhere between 10-15 years (yikes!). I've pulled their account, tax, and wage transcripts for the past decade, but only 2021 shows any income, which is from a 1099. What complicates things is that they have a Schedule C business and probably earned income that wasn't reported on any 1099s or other official forms. I'm planning to discuss with them exactly how long they've been earning income, but I'm unsure how far back I should file. I was thinking the last 6 years would be sufficient to get them current with the IRS, but what if they tell me they were making money 8-10 years ago and we don't have any bank statements to determine the amounts? Is there a standard practice for situations like this? I typically only handle back taxes for 2-3 years at most, so this is new territory for me. Any guidance from those who've tackled similar cases would be greatly appreciated!

Speaking from experience, the standard practice is to file the last 6 years of returns to bring a taxpayer into compliance with the IRS. This is generally considered sufficient even when there are older unfiled returns. The IRS typically focuses on the 6-year window for most enforcement actions, though they technically have no time limit for unfiled returns. If your client made money 8-10 years ago but has no documentation, you'll need to use reasonable methods to reconstruct that income. This could include industry averages, partial records, or bank deposit analysis if you can get older statements. For the years with no reported income on transcripts, you'll want to determine if they were actually below filing thresholds or if income simply wasn't reported. Remember that filing requirements are based on filing status, age, and income type - not just amount.

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Jamal Wilson

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Thanks for the info. Quick question - if we file for 6 years but later the IRS discovers substantial income from 8 years ago, can they still come after my client? Also, how do you typically approach reconstructing income when there are literally zero records available?

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Yes, the IRS can theoretically pursue taxes for any unfiled year where significant income was earned, regardless of how far back. There's no statute of limitations on unfiled returns. But in practice, they rarely go beyond 6 years unless there's evidence of fraud or substantial unreported income. For reconstructing income with zero records, I typically interview the client thoroughly about their business operations during those periods - average number of clients/jobs, typical fees, expenses, etc. Then create reasonable estimates based on their industry and circumstances. Documentation of your methods is crucial - note all assumptions and how you arrived at your figures. The IRS understands these situations require estimation, but they expect a good-faith effort at accuracy.

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Dylan Cooper

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Remember that even if there's no income showing on transcripts, your client might still have had filing requirements. I had a client who was self-employed making just enough to require filing (Schedule C with net earnings over $400 triggers SE tax filing requirements), but not enough to receive 1099s or trigger third-party reporting. For reconstructing income, I've had good luck with clients keeping things like appointment books, calendars, or customer lists even when they don't have financial records. Sometimes these can help establish activity levels that can be used to estimate income.

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Sofia Morales

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Don't bank statements expire after 7 years? How would someone even get statements from 10 years ago to reconstruct income?

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Dylan Cooper

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Most banks only provide online access to 7 years of statements, but they often retain records for longer periods. Your client can request older statements directly from their bank - there's usually a fee, but many banks can produce statements from 10+ years ago if needed. This can be extremely valuable for income reconstruction. If bank statements truly aren't available, there are alternative approaches: industry standard rates applied to known work activity, client's recollection of approximate customer counts and average charges, third-party records (like appointment books or contracts), and even client's lifestyle expenses during those periods can establish baseline income needed to maintain that lifestyle.

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StarSailor

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Has anyone had success with requesting First Time Abatement (FTA) for penalties on multiple years of unfiled returns? I'm wondering if it only applies to the earliest year or if it can be used across multiple tax years.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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FTA typically only applies to one tax year - usually the earliest one with penalties. However, I've had success requesting reasonable cause abatements for the additional years by documenting why the client failed to file (medical issues, natural disasters, bad advice from previous accountants, etc). Worth trying for all years, but expect FTA to only work for one.

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