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22 Have you considered taking a loan from your 401k instead of a withdrawal? Most plans allow you to borrow up to 50% of your vested balance (up to $50,000). You'd have to pay interest, but you're paying it to yourself, and there's no penalty or taxes if you repay according to the terms (usually within 5 years).
1 I actually didn't know that was an option! Would the loan show up on my credit report? And what happens if I leave my current job before it's paid back?
22 401k loans don't appear on your credit report since you're essentially borrowing from yourself, not a financial institution. If you leave your job before repaying the loan, that's where it gets tricky. You'll typically need to repay the full remaining loan balance by the tax filing deadline (including extensions) for the year you leave your job. If you don't repay by that deadline, the outstanding loan amount is treated as a distribution, subject to taxes and the 10% early withdrawal penalty - exactly what you were trying to avoid in the first place. So only do this if you're stable in your job.
11 I withdrew from my 401k last year and nobody warned me about Form 5329! Make sure you file this form with your taxes to report the early distribution, or you could face additional penalties. I got a nasty surprise letter from the IRS because I didn't include it.
17 Does tax software like TurboTax automatically include this form when you report a 401k withdrawal or do you have to specifically request it?
Does anyone know if the extension also applies to amended returns? I filed my 2021 taxes last year but realized I missed claiming some disaster-related expenses. Would those amended returns also get the extension to October?
I asked my tax preparer about this last week! Amended returns for tax year 2021 would normally be due by April 18, 2023 (the standard 3-year amendment period). If you're in the disaster area, this deadline is also extended to October 16, 2023. So yes, you have until October to file that 2021 amended return!
Quick question - does anyone know if we still need to FILE FOR an extension, or is this automatic for everyone in the affected counties? I'm in one of the California disaster zones and not sure if I need to submit Form 4868 or if we're just automatically given until October 16th.
It's automatic! If your primary residence or business is located in the federally declared disaster area, you don't need to file any extension forms. The IRS automatically provides the relief to anyone in the covered disaster areas. The system is set up to recognize your location based on your address on file with the IRS.
Just want to add one important tip about the 1099-INT from IRS refunds: make sure you actually report it! I mistakenly thought that since it came from the IRS, I didn't need to include it on my return. Got a notice a few months later saying I underreported my income. The interest from delayed tax refunds is fully taxable, even though the refund itself isn't income. Learned that the hard way!
Thanks for that reminder! How much interest did they pay you, if you don't mind me asking? Mine was only $18.42 for a refund that was delayed about 4 months. I wonder if it's even worth reporting such a small amount?
Mine was only $32.16 for a refund delayed about 6 months, but yes, you absolutely should report even small amounts like $18.42! The IRS computer systems automatically match all 1099-INTs against your return, regardless of amount. There's technically no minimum threshold for reporting interest income. Even though it seems insignificant, the IRS notice I received for forgetting to include it cost me far more in penalties and interest than the original amount. Plus, dealing with IRS notices is a huge headache that's definitely not worth risking over a small amount.
Does anyone know what tax rate applies to this interest income from IRS refunds? Is it treated differently than regular interest?
It's taxed exactly the same as any other interest income (like from a bank account). It will be taxed at your ordinary income tax rate - not at capital gains rates. So if you're in the 22% tax bracket, you'll pay 22% on that interest. Just report it on Schedule B along with any other interest income you received during the year.
Another option - if you're just missing the W2, you can try calling the IRS directly at 800-829-1040. If your employer hasn't sent it by Feb 15th (which is the deadline), the IRS can send a nudge to your employer. You'll need: - Your name, address, phone number, SSN - Your employer's name, address, and phone number - Dates of employment - An estimate of the wages you earned and taxes withheld You might actually be able to get the W2 info from the IRS directly if it was already submitted by your employer.
Thanks for this info! I had no idea the IRS could help with missing W2s or that employers had a deadline for sending them. My company is definitely past that February 15th deadline now so maybe that's why they're being so slow about it. I'll definitely try calling that number. Do you know if there's a way to check online whether my employer has already submitted my W2 info to the IRS? That would save me time on the phone if I could see it's already in their system.
Unfortunately there isn't an online way to check if your specific W2 has been filed with the IRS yet. The only way to get that information is by calling them directly. One thing you might try though is creating an account on the IRS website (if you don't already have one) at irs.gov/account. While it won't show your current year W2 info before you file, it will at least give you access to request a wage and income transcript from previous years, which can be helpful for reference.
Minor point but super important - if you're going to owe any taxes (even if you usually get a refund), make sure you at least PAY what you estimate you'll owe by the deadline, even if you file later. The failure-to-pay penalty is separate from failure-to-file. I learned this the hard way when I changed jobs and didn't have enough withholding. Thought filing an extension gave me extra time to pay too. NOPE! Still got hit with interest and penalties on what I owed.
This is the most important advice in the thread honestly. The extension is ONLY for filing paperwork, not for paying what you owe! I think a lot of people don't realize this.
Jean Claude
One important thing no one mentioned - MAKE COPIES of everything you send to the IRS! Don't send originals. And use certified mail with return receipt so you have proof they received your documents by the deadline. I learned this the hard way when they claimed they never received my documentation package last year, but thankfully I had the tracking info and receipt to prove it was delivered.
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Marcus Marsh
ā¢Thank you! I wouldn't have thought about the certified mail part. Do you know if I should organize the documents in any specific way? Like should I create a cover letter explaining each item or just send everything with the letter they sent me?
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Jean Claude
ā¢Absolutely create a cover letter! Reference the letter ID number and your tax ID number at the top. Then make a list of every document you're including and what specific item on your tax return it supports. For each category of expenses they're questioning, group those documents together with a summary sheet showing how they add up to the amount you claimed. Making it easy for the IRS agent to review your documentation increases your chances of a quick and favorable response. The easier you make their job, the better the outcome usually.
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Charity Cohan
Husband and I went through this in 2023. Pro tip: if they're asking for business expense docs, separate everything by category (office supplies, travel, equipment, etc) and include a spreadsheet that totals each category to match what you reported. Makes it super clear where each number on your return came from. Also don't miss the deadline! They can be strict about those 30 days. If you need more time, call and ask for an extension BEFORE the deadline passes. Most agents will give you 2-4 more weeks if you ask politely.
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Josef Tearle
ā¢Does color-coding help? I'm super visual and thinking about using different colored folders for different expense categories when I send everything in.
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