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From the employer perspective, there's another issue nobody's mentioned yet. If they start offering this benefit to you, other employees will inevitably ask for different specialized benefits that help their specific situation. Some might want childcare assistance, others might want housing allowances, and others might want additional retirement matching. Once you open that door of customized benefits, it's hard to close it without seeming arbitrary about which needs the company chooses to accommodate.
That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Do you think it would help if I framed it as an option the company could offer to everyone rather than just for my situation? Maybe present research on how many employees might have student loans?
Approaching it as a company-wide benefit is definitely the better strategy. Do some research on companies in your industry that offer this benefit and how they implement it. Gather data on average student loan debt for professionals in your field and typical program structures. Then create a brief proposal showing the potential impact on employee retention and recruitment. Many companies find that student loan assistance programs significantly improve their ability to attract and retain younger talent, which often provides ROI that exceeds the program costs. Frame it as a competitive advantage rather than a personal accommodation.
One thing to consider - companies can structure this benefit in different ways. Instead of redirecting your signing bonus (which is already committed compensation), see if they'd be open to a program where they match student loan payments up to a certain amount each month. My employer does a $100/month match for student loan payments, which doesn't hit the $5250 max but is more manageable from their administration standpoint. They started small to test the program before potentially expanding it.
The matching approach is smart. My company started with $50/month matching and it was popular enough that they increased it to $200/month the following year. Much easier for them to implement than lump sums.
For what it's worth, the reason your M1 line 8 and Schedule K line 18 are probably different is due to state tax add-backs. Since state income taxes aren't deductible on federal returns for S corps, but are actual expenses on your books, this creates a reconciling item. The $24,500 difference you mentioned could easily be explained if your company paid around that amount in state taxes during the year. Check your state tax payments and see if they align with the discrepancy.
You might be onto something! I just checked our records and we paid approximately $26,200 in state taxes this year. That's pretty close to the $24,500 discrepancy I was seeing. How exactly should I handle this on the forms to make them reconcile properly?
You'll need to add the state tax amount back on your M1 form in the section for additions. Most state forms have a specific line for "Taxes paid to other states" or "State, local, and foreign income taxes." This addition reconciles the difference between your federal taxable income and state taxable income. Make sure you're only adding back income taxes though - other taxes like property tax or payroll taxes are generally deductible on both returns. Once you add this adjustment, your reconciliation between Schedule K line 18 and M1 line 8 should be much closer, if not exact.
Has anyone else noticed that distributions to S corp shareholders can affect your basis calculations even though they don't show up on the M1? Last year I made a similar distribution and didn't track it properly, which caused major headaches when one of our shareholders tried to claim losses on their personal return.
Yes! This is super important. The $850k distribution OP mentioned won't show on the M1, but it MUST be tracked for each shareholder's basis. If their basis goes below zero because of distributions, they could end up with unexpected capital gains. I recommend keeping a basis worksheet for each shareholder from year to year.
Don't overlook the relationship aspect of this. Even with family and close friends, money can create tension. I'd suggest writing up a simple agreement regardless of tax implications - just to keep everyone on the same page about expectations. My cousin and I had a similar arrangement that went sideways because we had different memories of the repayment timeline.
Do you have any suggestions for a template or example of a simple agreement that worked? I'm not sure what should be included besides the basics.
A basic promissory note doesn't need to be complicated. Include the names of both parties, the loan amount, when and how payments will be made, and any consequences for late payments. Even if you don't plan to enforce it strictly, having it written down prevents misunderstandings. You should also consider including what happens if you lose your job or have an emergency - would they allow you to pause payments? Will the term be extended? Better to discuss these scenarios upfront when everyone's happy. I found some free templates online that worked great - just search for "family loan agreement template" and customize one to your situation.
I received a $12,000 loan from my brother last year to pay off credit card debt. The way we handled it was creating a simple one-page loan document that specified no interest, monthly payments of $400, and what would happen if I missed payments. We both signed it and kept copies.
Something else to consider with two full-time jobs - it's not just about taxes but benefits too. I did this last year and discovered some weird overlaps: - My second job offered health insurance but I was already covered at my main job - 401k contribution limits apply across ALL your jobs combined (found this out the hard way) - PTO management becomes a nightmare juggling two schedules - You might hit Social Security tax limits and see a bump in later paychecks Just make sure you're looking at the whole picture. The extra money was nice but I was basically working 70+ hours a week and barely had time to spend any of it. Ended up quitting the second job after 5 months.
Did you have any issues with either employer finding out about the other job? I'm thinking about doing this but worried my main job might consider it a conflict of interest or something.
I didn't have any direct issues because the jobs were in completely different industries (office admin work during weekdays and retail on evenings/weekends). Neither company had policies against outside employment. However, I did almost get caught once when I had to call out sick from my weekend job and my manager there tried to reach me during a weekday meeting at my main job. I'd definitely recommend checking your employment contracts first. Some companies do have clauses about outside employment, especially if it could be considered a conflict of interest or if they think it might affect your performance.
The real hack here is adjusting your tax withholding correctly. Go to the IRS withholding calculator online, enter your info from BOTH jobs, and it'll tell you exactly what to put on your W-4 forms. I worked 2 full-time jobs for about 9 months in 2023 and actually got a $1,200 refund because I set everything up correctly from the start. The key is to select "Multiple Jobs" on your W-4 and possibly have extra $ withheld from each check. Don't listen to people who don't understand how tax brackets work. You'll never lose money by making more money. A higher tax bracket only affects the portion of income above that threshold.
I tried using that IRS calculator thing and got super confused. It asked for way more information than I had available. Is there a simpler way to figure this out?
Melody Miles
Don't forget to factor in the quality of the plans too! I almost went with my employer plan for tax reasons until I realized it had a $4000 higher deductible and smaller network than my private plan. Sometimes the better coverage outweighs the tax benefits. Also, check if you qualify for ACA subsidies with your private plan. Depending on your income, those could be substantial and might not be reflected in the premium you're comparing.
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Libby Hassan
ā¢Thanks for bringing up the non-tax factors! You're right that I should be looking at the whole picture. The deductible on my private plan is actually $3,500 lower than my employer's plan, and my regular specialists are all in-network with my current coverage. I don't qualify for ACA subsidies unfortunately - my income is too high. But the network difference is definitely significant. I guess I need to assign some dollar value to having better coverage and a lower deductible to make a fair comparison.
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Melody Miles
ā¢Absolutely! A $3,500 deductible difference is significant. One approach is to consider your typical annual healthcare usage. If you regularly meet your deductible, that $3,500 is a real savings that offsets some of the tax benefits. Also consider coverage for specific services you use regularly. For example, I discovered my employer plan had much worse mental health coverage than my private plan - fewer visits covered and higher copays. For someone who uses therapy regularly, that difference alone could be worth thousands.
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Nathaniel Mikhaylov
Has anyone considered the impact of self-employment taxes in this calculation? If you're a true 1099 contractor (not W-2), you can deduct health insurance premiums as a business expense which reduces your self-employment tax base. That's an additional 15.3% savings on top of income tax savings!
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Eva St. Cyr
ā¢This is an important distinction! The OP mentioned they're employed "by contract" but that could mean either W-2 through a contracting agency or true 1099 self-employment. If you're W-2, you can't deduct private health insurance premiums against self-employment taxes since you don't pay those - your employer pays half of FICA and you pay half through withholding. But if you're 1099, the self-employed health insurance deduction is super valuable. It reduces your income for income tax purposes AND self-employment tax purposes, which is huge.
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