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Just want to add that I've been through this confusion before. Remember that you only report the Pell Grant as income AFTER you've applied it to all qualified educational expenses. Qualified expenses include: - Tuition and fees required for enrollment - Books, supplies, and equipment REQUIRED for courses - Computer equipment if REQUIRED by your college What DOESN'T count as qualified expenses: - Room and board - Transportation - Insurance - Medical expenses - Student activity fees if not required for enrollment Double check if any of your remaining expenses actually qualify before reporting the whole excess as income.
This is really helpful! Question though - my school "required" us to have health insurance but it wasn't directly tied to a specific course. Would that count as a qualified expense? Also, some of my textbooks were technically listed as "recommended" not "required" on the syllabus but the professor actually did require us to have them for assignments. Can I count those?
Health insurance required by the school generally doesn't count as a qualified education expense for Pell Grant purposes, even if the school requires it. That falls under personal expenses according to IRS guidelines. For your textbooks that were "recommended" but actually needed for assignments, this is a gray area. Technically, only "required" textbooks count, but if you can document that these books were necessary to complete required coursework and assignments (like if the syllabus mentions assignments from these books), you could make a case for including them. If you were to be audited, you'd want documentation showing why these were effectively required for the course, such as assignment instructions that reference these "recommended" textbooks.
Hey, just a quick note - if your only income for the year was this taxable portion of the Pell Grant, you might not even need to file. For 2024 (filing in 2025), if you're a single filer and made less than $13,850, you aren't required to file a federal tax return (assuming you're not claimed as a dependent). But... you might WANT to file anyway if you had any federal income tax withheld during the year that you could get refunded. Did your school withhold any taxes from your grant disbursements?
For what it's worth, I paid $230 last year for tax prep with a similar situation (W-2 + about $5k in freelance income). The preparer found enough additional deductions compared to what I'd have found on my own that it more than covered her fee. Business mileage alone saved me over $300 in taxes. Just make sure whoever you hire will help you maximize legitimate deductions but not push you into gray areas. A good preparer should explain everything and make you feel comfortable with what you're claiming.
Do you think there's value in going back to the same preparer each year? Or should I shop around for the best price annually?
There's definitely value in building a relationship with the same preparer over time. They learn your specific situation and can provide more tailored advice as they get to know your financial patterns. They'll also notice changes year-to-year that might indicate new tax opportunities. Shopping based on price alone can backfire. The cheapest preparers are often the least experienced or may rush through returns during busy season. If you find someone who does quality work and you're comfortable with them, the continuity is usually worth any small premium you might pay compared to shopping around.
I do my own taxes with FreeTaxUSA and it only costs me $15 for state filing (federal is free). Has all the forms for 1099 income. Why pay hundreds to someone else? Seems like a waste of money tbh.
You guys are ignoring a simple solution. The employee and her husband could just do the math themselves to figure out how much extra to withhold. That's what my wife and I do. Take both your annual salaries, add them together, use a tax calculator online to estimate your total tax bill for the year, then divide by number of paychecks. Compare that to what's currently being withheld and add the difference to line 4(c) of the W-4. It's not rocket science and doesn't require special tools or services. Just basic math.
Not everyone is comfortable doing tax math though. My eyes glaze over whenever I try to calculate this stuff, and I inevitably make mistakes. I think the point is that the employer shouldn't be blamed for following the W-4 instructions correctly.
Fair point. I forget that not everyone is comfortable with tax calculations. You're right that the employer isn't at fault here - they processed the withholding correctly based on the form provided. A simpler approach would be to just use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online. It walks you through everything step by step and tells you exactly what to put on each line of the W-4. No math required.
Side note: has anyone noticed that the withholding tables seem completely off lately? Even with the "married, but withhold at higher single rate" option checked on old W-4s, we still had people underwithholding. The new W-4 multiple jobs section is better but still not perfect.
I think the problem is that the withholding system is based on outdated assumptions about household income. The tables were designed when it was common to have one primary earner in a family. Now with two similar incomes, the system gets confused without specific instructions.
Former tax preparer here. This is actually a fascinating area of tax law. While you must report all income regardless of source, there's significant legal precedent around self-incrimination protections. Robert Rock v. Commissioner is an interesting tax court case that dealt with this issue. The IRS and criminal investigators don't always share information seamlessly, but don't assume there's a firewall. If you're reporting substantial unexplained income, it could trigger questions. Sometimes the smartest approach is to work with both a tax attorney and criminal defense attorney who can help structure your compliance with tax laws while minimizing other legal exposure.
What about state taxes? If someone reports this "other income" on federal taxes, do states have different rules about reporting and information sharing with law enforcement?
State tax authorities generally have their own reporting requirements, and information sharing between federal and state agencies does occur. States vary significantly in how they handle information and their relationships with law enforcement. Some states have stronger information sharing agreements with law enforcement than the federal government does. California and New York, for example, have robust tax enforcement divisions that do coordinate with other agencies. So while federal tax law has certain protections, state-level reporting could potentially create different risks.
Lol I'm just imagining some dude writing "exotic pharmaceutical sales" on his tax return. But seriously though, I heard the IRS has a special form for stolen property? Is that actually real or is it an urban legend?
It's actually real! While there's no specific form just for stolen property, the IRS guidance explicitly states that stolen property must be reported as income. Publication 17 has historically mentioned this requirement. The IRS doesn't have a "stolen items" line, but they do expect you to report it as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 of Form 1040. It's one of those bizarre tax code realities that exists because the tax system is designed to collect revenue from all income sources, regardless of how that income was obtained.
Dmitry Petrov
Has anyone tried using H&R Block instead of Turbo Tax? I'm wondering if this Form 8379 delay is happening with all tax software or just Turbo Tax specifically. Might be worth switching if another program lets you file injured spouse claims earlier.
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Ava Williams
ā¢I tried H&R Block and they have the same March 17th date for Form 8379. Tried TaxAct too and they said mid-March. It's definitely an IRS thing, not specific to any one tax software. Apparently, it's because they had to update how injured spouse allocations are calculated with some tax law changes.
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Dmitry Petrov
ā¢Thanks for checking! Guess I'll just have to be patient then. At least now I know it's not worth the hassle of switching tax software just for this issue. Hopefully the processing will be quick once we can actually file after the 17th.
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Miguel Castro
Just an FYI for anyone filing Form 8379 - make sure you're keeping really good records showing which spouse earned what income and had what withholding. My husband and I filed injured spouse last year and even though we submitted everything correctly, the IRS still needed additional documentation from us to prove which withholdings were mine vs his. Delayed our refund by 2 months!
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Liam Fitzgerald
ā¢That's really helpful advice, thanks! Did you need to submit anything beyond your W-2s to show the separate withholdings? I'm worried because I had some 1099 work this year in addition to my W-2 job, and my husband has only W-2 income.
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Miguel Castro
ā¢For W-2s, those were sufficient since they clearly show whose income is whose. For your 1099 work, make sure you have documentation showing you're the one who performed the services - contracts with your name, invoices you sent, etc. The biggest issue we ran into was with joint bank accounts where taxes were withheld (like on interest or dividends). For those, we needed to show whose money was originally deposited that earned the interest. Bank statements showing deposits from each person's employer helped prove this.
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