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Hey Avery! I totally understand the stress - filling out your first W4 can feel really overwhelming when you have no idea what any of it means! But honestly, you're in the easiest possible situation as a high school student with just one part-time job. Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was in your shoes: for your situation, you literally only need to worry about Step 1. Fill in your name, address, Social Security number, and check "Single" for filing status (yes, even though your parents claim you as a dependent - that's completely separate). Then skip Steps 2, 3, and 4 entirely, and just sign and date it in Step 5. That's it! The system will automatically calculate the right withholding based on your income level. Since you're probably not going to earn enough to owe much (if any) federal income tax anyway, keeping it simple is definitely the way to go. Don't stress about making it perfect - you can always submit a new W4 later if your situation changes. Focus on being excited about your new job instead! And definitely save screenshots of what you submit, just in case there are any system glitches. You've got this! š
This is such great advice! I'm also 16 and just got hired at a clothing store - I was literally googling "how to fill out W4 for dummies" earlier today because I was so confused by all the different sections. It's really reassuring to hear that we can keep it super simple and just focus on Step 1. I was especially worried about the Social Security number part because my mom always tells me to be careful with that information, but I guess it makes sense that your employer needs it for tax purposes. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly - this thread has been a lifesaver for all of us confused first-timers!
Hey Avery! I completely understand the panic - I was in the exact same situation last year when I got my first job at a local restaurant. The W4 form looked like it was written in a foreign language! Here's the super simple version for your situation as a high school student with one part-time job: **Step 1**: Fill in your personal info (name, address, SSN) and select "Single" for filing status. Don't worry - selecting "Single" doesn't affect your parents claiming you as a dependent on their taxes. **Steps 2-4**: Leave these completely blank or skip them entirely. These sections are for people with multiple jobs, dependents, or specific deduction situations that don't apply to you. **Step 5**: Sign and date it. That's literally all you need to do! The system will handle the rest automatically based on your pay level. Quick tip: Since you're working part-time and probably won't earn more than around $12,950 this year, you might even qualify to write "EXEMPT" in the space below Step 4(c) to avoid having any federal taxes withheld. But if you're unsure, just leave it blank - you'll get any overpaid taxes back as a refund when you file next year anyway. Don't stress about perfection - you can always submit a new W4 if you need to change anything later. Good luck with your new job! š
This is such a clear explanation! I'm also starting my first job soon (at a movie theater) and was completely overwhelmed by the W4. The way you broke it down into exactly what to do for each step makes it so much less scary. I especially appreciate you mentioning the EXEMPT option - I had no idea that was even a possibility for students. Quick question though: if I do write EXEMPT, do I need to do anything special when I file taxes next year, or does it work the same way as if I had some taxes withheld? I want to make sure I don't accidentally mess up my first tax return too!
I went through a very similar situation with my MPF withdrawal in 2022 when I moved from Hong Kong to the US. Based on my experience and what my tax advisor told me, here are a few key points: The timing of when you received the funds (January 2024) is what matters for tax purposes, not when you applied or when your employer made their final contribution. So this will be reported on your 2024 tax return. One thing I wish I had known earlier - make sure you get a detailed breakdown from your MPF provider showing your personal contributions vs. employer contributions vs. investment gains. The portion that came from your own mandatory contributions (money that was already taxed in Hong Kong) might be eligible for some relief, though the rules are complex. Also, don't forget about the Foreign Bank Account Report (FBAR) requirements if your Hong Kong accounts exceeded $10,000 at any point during the year. The MPF account itself might need to be reported even if it's now closed. I'd strongly recommend getting professional help from someone who specializes in US expat taxes, especially for your first year filing as a US resident. The interaction between Hong Kong taxes you may have paid and US tax obligations can get tricky.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to request that detailed breakdown from my MPF provider. One question - when you mention the portion from personal contributions might be eligible for relief, do you mean it could be completely tax-free or just subject to different treatment? I'm trying to understand if it's worth the effort to get all that documentation or if the savings would be minimal. Also, regarding the FBAR reporting - does this apply even if the MPF account was closed before I became a US tax resident? I'm a bit confused about the timing requirements there.
For the personal contributions portion, it typically means those amounts can be received tax-free since you already paid Hong Kong taxes on that income before it went into your MPF. However, any investment growth on those contributions would still be taxable in the US. The potential tax savings really depend on how much you personally contributed over the years - if it was a significant amount, the documentation effort could save you hundreds or even thousands in US taxes. Regarding FBAR, the key is whether you had signature authority or financial interest in the account during any part of the calendar year as a US person (citizen, resident, etc.). If you became a US tax resident partway through 2023 but still had the MPF account open during that period, you'd likely need to report it. The timing of when you closed it matters less than whether you had access to it while being considered a US person for tax purposes. Given the complexity here, this is definitely something to verify with a tax professional who can look at your specific timeline.
One important thing to keep in mind is the timing of your tax residency status change. Since you moved to the US in December 2023, you'll want to confirm whether you were considered a US tax resident for any part of 2023 (which could affect reporting requirements for that year) versus starting fresh as a US resident in 2024 when you actually received the MPF funds. The substantial presence test or green card test will determine your exact tax residency start date. If you were already a US tax resident in December 2023 when your employer made that final contribution, it could potentially affect how you report things, even though you didn't receive the money until January 2024. Also, since Hong Kong doesn't tax MPF withdrawals when you permanently leave, you won't be able to claim any foreign tax credits to offset the US tax liability on this distribution. This makes it even more important to properly categorize which portions of your withdrawal might qualify for different tax treatment. I'd definitely echo the advice about getting professional help for your first year - the intersection of changing tax residency, foreign retirement account distributions, and potential FBAR reporting requirements creates a lot of complexity that's worth getting right from the start.
This is such an important point about the tax residency timing! I'm in a similar boat - moved to the US in late 2023 but didn't receive my foreign pension funds until 2024. I had no idea that the substantial presence test could make me a US tax resident for part of 2023 even though I only lived here for a few weeks that year. Does anyone know if there's a way to calculate this yourself, or do you really need a professional to determine the exact date your US tax residency started? I'm worried I might have missed some reporting requirements for 2023 if I was already considered a resident then.
Another thing to consider is challenging your property tax assessment if you think your home is overvalued. I did this last year and got my assessment reduced by almost $40k, which saved me about $800 annually in property taxes. The process varies by county but usually involves showing comparable sales in your area that indicate your home is assessed too high. Many counties have a specific window each year when you can appeal.
Did you use a lawyer for your appeal or did you handle it yourself? I've been thinking about challenging mine but wasn't sure if it was worth hiring someone.
Great question about property tax appeals! I handled mine myself and it was actually pretty straightforward. Most counties have forms available online and the process is designed for homeowners to navigate without an attorney. I gathered comparable sales data from Zillow and the county assessor's website, took photos showing any property condition issues, and filled out the appeal form. The hearing was informal - just me presenting my case to a review board. The key was having solid comparable properties that sold recently for less than my assessed value. I'd recommend trying it yourself first since there's usually no fee to file an appeal. You can always hire a property tax consultant later if you're not comfortable with the process. Many of them work on contingency anyway, so they only get paid if they successfully reduce your assessment.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the timing - when is the best time to start gathering comparable sales data? Should I be looking at sales from the past 6 months, or is there a specific time frame that carries more weight with assessors? Also, did you find that recent sales in your immediate neighborhood were more convincing than similar homes a few streets over?
I'm getting the exact same Transaction 107461598510 error! Been trying since about 5am this morning and it's so frustrating. I'm also a PATH Act filer with EITC for my son and was really hoping to see some progress today after waiting through that whole restriction period. Yesterday I could check my transcripts fine and saw code 570, but now I can't get past that Treasury error screen no matter what I try - different browsers, mobile, cleared cache, nothing works. It's actually really comforting to know this is happening to so many of us and it's just system overload rather than something wrong with our returns. Definitely going to try that 1-3am trick everyone's mentioning - hopefully the servers will be less overwhelmed during those hours. This waiting game is killing me when I'm counting on that refund money! Thanks for posting this thread, at least we know we're not alone in this mess! š©
I'm right there with you! Same Transaction 107461598510 error since early this morning - so frustrating when you've been patiently waiting through the PATH Act restrictions and then the system crashes right when we can finally check! I'm also dealing with EITC for my kids and really need to see if there's been any movement. It's actually kind of reassuring that we're all experiencing the same thing - means it's definitely just server overload and not issues with our individual returns. Going to try that 1-3am window tonight too - fingers crossed we can all finally get some answers! This whole situation is so stressful when you're counting on that money š¤
Wow, reading through all these comments makes me feel so much better! I've been getting that same Transaction 107461598510 error since around 4:30am and was starting to panic that something was wrong with my return. I'm also a PATH Act filer with EITC for my 3 kids and was really hoping to see some movement today after that long wait. Yesterday my transcripts showed processing fine, but today - nothing but error screens! It's actually kind of funny (in a frustrating way) that the IRS lifts the PATH restrictions and then their entire system crashes from everyone rushing to check at once š Classic government efficiency right there! Definitely going to try that 1-3am window tonight that everyone's suggesting. Thanks for posting this thread OP - it's such a relief to know this is a widespread issue and not something specific to our accounts. Hopefully we'll all get through soon and can finally see what's happening with our refunds! This whole situation is stressing me out when I really need that money for rent š¤
Same here with 3 kids too! Been getting that Transaction 107461598510 error all morning and was freaking out thinking something was wrong with my return. It's actually hilarious that the IRS lifts PATH restrictions and then their servers immediately crash from everyone checking at once š¤¦āāļø Peak government efficiency! At least we're all stuck in this together. Definitely trying that 1-3am trick tonight - hopefully we can finally see if our refunds have moved. This whole situation is so stressful when you need that money ASAP!
Oliver Fischer
I've been in tax for about 4 years now and can confirm everything others have said about the hours being standard. What I wish someone had told me when I was starting is to really pay attention to the firm's client mix and how that affects your workload distribution. Some firms front-load most of their work in January-February because they have a lot of individual clients who get their documents early. Others are slammed right up until the deadline because they handle a lot of business returns or have clients who are slow with their paperwork. The timing can make a huge difference in how brutal those long weeks feel. At $62,500 for a mid-size firm, you're in the right ballpark, but I'd definitely push for clarity on the bonus structure. My first firm was vague about bonuses and I ended up with a measly $1,200 after working 320+ hours of overtime during tax season. My current firm is upfront about their bonus formula (10% of base salary if you hit utilization targets during busy season) and it makes the long hours feel more worthwhile. One last tip - ask about their technology and software setup. Firms with outdated systems will have you working even longer hours just because everything takes forever. Good firms invest in efficiency tools that actually help you get through the workload faster.
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AstroAlpha
ā¢This is such great insight about client mix timing! I hadn't even thought about how that would affect the workload distribution throughout tax season. That's definitely something I should ask about during my decision process. The point about technology and software is really smart too. I've heard horror stories from friends about firms still using ancient systems that make everything take twice as long. Do you have any specific questions you'd recommend asking about their tech stack? Like should I ask about cloud-based systems, automation tools, or specific software brands? Also, that bonus structure transparency at your current firm sounds so much better than the vague promises I'm getting. I think I'm going to push for more specific details about how bonuses are calculated before I accept anything. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Mateo Rodriguez
ā¢Great questions! For tech stack, I'd specifically ask about: 1. **Tax software** - Are they using current versions of ProSeries, Lacerte, or Drake? Outdated versions can be painfully slow 2. **Document management** - Do they have a cloud-based system for client documents or are you still dealing with paper files and scanning? 3. **Client portals** - Can clients upload documents securely online, or are you chasing people down for paperwork via email/phone? 4. **Integration** - Do their systems talk to each other, or are you manually entering data multiple times? I'd phrase it like: "Can you walk me through your typical workflow from client intake to filing? What software and systems would I be working with daily?" The firms that have invested in good technology will be proud to show it off. The ones with outdated systems will give you vague answers or change the subject quickly. And definitely push for bonus transparency! A good firm should be able to tell you exactly how bonuses are calculated, when they're paid, and what the typical range is. If they can't give you specifics, that's usually a red flag that bonuses are either very small or completely discretionary based on "firm performance" (which often means you won't see much).
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Beth Ford
That salary range sounds about right for a mid-sized firm, though those hours are definitely brutal. I've been doing tax work for about 6 years and can tell you that while the long busy season hours are unfortunately standard, there's a lot of variation in how firms handle compensation and work-life balance. A few red flags to watch for: If they're being vague about bonuses or comp time, that usually means there isn't much. Good firms are transparent about their busy season compensation structure upfront. Also, pay attention to their turnover rate - if they're constantly hiring, it might mean people burn out quickly. One thing that's helped me survive busy seasons is being really strategic about efficiency. The firms that invest in good technology and processes make those long hours much more bearable than places where you're fighting outdated software all day. Before you decide, I'd definitely ask to speak with someone who went through last tax season there. Not a manager - an actual staff member who can tell you what February and March really looked like day-to-day. Their response (and whether the firm is willing to connect you) will tell you a lot about what you're signing up for. The experience can be valuable for your career, but make sure you're getting fair compensation for those sacrifice months!
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Lucas Bey
ā¢This is really solid advice, especially about asking to speak with current staff members who actually went through last busy season. I'm definitely going to request that conversation before making my final decision. The point about turnover rate is something I hadn't considered but makes total sense. If they're constantly hiring, that's probably not a great sign about how sustainable their workload expectations are. Do you think it's appropriate to directly ask about their retention rate during the interview process, or is there a more tactful way to get that information? Also, when you mention being "strategic about efficiency," are there specific tools or methods you'd recommend for someone new to tax work? I want to make sure I'm setting myself up for success if I do take this position, especially since the learning curve will already be steep coming from corporate accounting.
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