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Has anyone used TurboTax to claim a large worthless stock loss like this? I'm wondering if the regular version handles this or if I need to upgrade to their premium version. Last time I tried to enter something complicated like this, it kept giving me errors.
I tried using TurboTax for a similar situation and it was a nightmare. The program kept asking me for information I didn't have and wouldn't let me proceed. I ended up having to use the desktop version of H&R Block software which handled it much better. It had specific fields for worthless securities and inheritance basis.
I'm sorry to hear about your situation with the First Republic Bank stock. This is unfortunately becoming more common with recent bank failures. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you have proper documentation of the inheritance date and fair market value at that time. Since you inherited this 4 years ago, you'll need records showing the stock's value on the date of your family member's death (or the alternate valuation date if the estate elected that). This becomes your "stepped-up basis" for tax purposes. Also, don't rush to sell immediately. First Republic Bank went through a specific FDIC resolution process when it failed in May 2023, and shareholders typically received nothing. However, you should verify with your broker that there truly are no residual distributions expected before claiming it as completely worthless. If you do need to execute a sale, most brokers can handle transactions in defunct securities - they'll often sell for $0.01 per share or similar. The key is having the transaction recorded properly so you have documentation of the sale for your tax return. Given the size of this loss, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with worthless securities and inheritance situations. The $417,000+ loss could provide significant tax benefits over many years if handled correctly.
This is really helpful, especially the point about documentation. I'm realizing I might not have all the paperwork I need from when my family member passed away 4 years ago. How exactly do I find out what the stock was worth on the specific date they died? The estate paperwork I have doesn't seem to have that level of detail about individual stock holdings. Also, you mentioned May 2023 for the First Republic failure - that timing matches what I remember. Is there a specific way I should phrase this on my tax forms to make it clear this was an FDIC bank failure rather than just a regular stock that went down in value? I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly since it's such a large amount.
Great to see you're getting this sorted out! Just one more thing to double-check when you meet with your tax preparer tomorrow - make sure they're looking at the correct carryover amount from last year. Sometimes the loss carryover amount on your prior year return might be different from your actual realized losses if you had other gains that year that already offset some of the losses. The carryover amount should be shown on Schedule D from your prior year return, usually on line 16. That's the exact amount available to offset this year's gains. If your preparer is working from a different number, that could explain some of the confusion. Also worth asking them to walk you through the actual calculation on Schedule D so you can see how they're applying the carryover. Sometimes seeing the math laid out makes it much clearer what's happening. Good luck with the meeting!
This is such great advice! I never thought to check the specific carryover amount on Schedule D from last year. I just assumed it was my full $135k loss, but you're right that there might have been some offsetting that already happened. I'll definitely ask to see the actual Schedule D calculation when I meet with my preparer tomorrow. It would be really helpful to understand exactly how these numbers flow from year to year. Thanks for the tip about line 16 - I'll make sure to look for that specifically!
One more thing to consider - if you're working with a tax preparer who doesn't fully understand capital loss carryovers, you might want to bring some documentation to your meeting tomorrow. The IRS has a pretty clear explanation in Publication 550 (Investment Income and Expenses) that spells out exactly how capital losses can offset capital gains without the $3,000 limit. Also, make sure your preparer is using the correct Schedule D form for the current tax year. Sometimes software glitches or using outdated forms can cause confusion about how carryovers are applied. You should be able to see line by line how your $135k carryover loss is being applied against your $125k gain. If they still insist you can only use $3k, ask them to show you the specific tax code or IRS publication that supports that position. There isn't one, because capital losses can fully offset capital gains. The $3k limit only applies to excess losses against ordinary income like wages or interest.
I file taxes for my husband's s-corp and we have a sept 30 fiscal year. I was told to use tax software from the CALENDAR year when the fiscal year ENDS. So for a july 1 2021 - june 30 2022 fiscal year, we used 2022 tax software even though we filed in september 2022. This has always confused me but our accountant says its right. just be careful cause the forms change yearly!!
You're definitely using the correct approach! I made the mistake of using 2021 software for our March 2022 fiscal year end filing, and it caused all kinds of problems. The software was missing updated forms and couldn't e-file properly. Always use the tax software from the year your fiscal year ends in, even if most of your business year was in the previous calendar year.
Thanks! That's really reassuring to hear. Our accountant explained it but I still get nervous every time we file. The software thing was confusing at first because you're buying "2022 software" to file a return in 2022, but the IRS considers it a 2022 return anyway, so it all matches up.
Just wanted to add one more important detail that might help other newcomers like myself - make sure you're aware of the estimated tax payment deadlines for fiscal year S-Corps too! For a June 30 fiscal year end, your quarterly estimated payments are due on September 15, December 15, March 15, and June 15. This was another area where I initially got confused because I was thinking in calendar year terms. Also, if you're new to handling S-Corp taxes, I'd strongly recommend getting professional help at least for the first year or two. The interplay between the corporate return (1120-S) and the individual K-1 reporting can get complex, especially with fiscal years. Better to invest in proper guidance upfront than deal with penalties or corrections later!
This is really helpful advice! As someone who just started handling our family S-Corp taxes this year, the estimated payment schedule was definitely something I overlooked initially. I was so focused on figuring out the annual return filing that I completely missed the quarterly obligations. Quick question - do the estimated payments need to be based on the previous fiscal year's tax liability, or should they reflect the current year's expected income? Our business has grown significantly this year and I'm worried about underpayment penalties if I base estimates on last year's much lower numbers. Also, completely agree on getting professional help! Even with all the great advice in this thread, there are so many nuances that it's worth having an expert review everything at least initially.
Quick question - does anyone know if there's a minimum amount of capital gains that requires reporting for F1 students? I made like $200 from stocks this year and wondering if I even need to bother with all this Schedule D stuff.
Just to clarify one more point that might be confusing - while everyone is correctly saying to use Schedule D for your capital gains, make sure you understand that as an F1 student filing Form 1040NR, you'll be using Schedule D-NR (the nonresident version), not the regular Schedule D that US residents use. The calculation process is essentially the same, but Schedule D-NR has some specific instructions for nonresidents. Your $720 gain from $5,800 in stock sales would definitely need to be reported using this form, and then the net gain would transfer to your 1040NR. Also, keep good records of your cost basis and sale dates - you'll need those details for the Schedule D-NR. Don't let your friend convince you to use Schedule NEC, that's definitely for contractor/freelance income, not investment gains.
This is really helpful clarification! I didn't realize there was a separate Schedule D-NR for nonresidents. I've been looking at the regular Schedule D instructions this whole time and was getting confused about some of the sections. Where can I find the Schedule D-NR form and instructions? Is it available on the IRS website like the other forms, or do I need to look somewhere specific for nonresident forms?
Omar Farouk
Another option is to have your friend open an account at your bank. My credit union gives me access to the first $500 of any check immediately, and the rest clears in 1-2 days max. Much better than dealing with this tax confusion.
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Chloe Martin
ā¢Not all banks have the same policies though. Some online banks are great about quick funds availability while others are terrible. Probably depends on your account history and credit score too.
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Dmitry Volkov
I've been in a similar situation helping my sister with her checks from her part-time job. What really helped me was keeping simple records of these transactions - just a note in my phone showing the date, check amount, and that I gave her the full cash amount. From everything I've researched and the responses here, you're definitely not creating taxable income for yourself since you're not keeping any of the money. The IRS looks at economic substance, not just which account money flows through temporarily. One practical tip: if your friend's bank is consistently putting long holds on his paychecks, he might want to ask his employer about direct deposit. Most payroll companies can set that up pretty quickly, and it would eliminate the whole check-cashing issue entirely. Direct deposits usually clear much faster than paper checks.
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