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Quick question - has anyone here successfully claimed both the Lifetime Learning Credit AND used employer tuition reimbursement in the same year? My situation seems similar to the original poster.
Yes, but you can't "double dip" on the same expenses. Here's how it works: If your total qualified education expenses were $15k, and you received $5,250 tax-free from your employer, you can only use the remaining $9,750 for calculating your Lifetime Learning Credit. You need to subtract the tax-free education assistance from your total qualified expenses before calculating the education credit.
Laura, I went through almost the exact same situation with my MBA program last year! The timing confusion is totally normal - don't worry about the "mess" because this is actually pretty straightforward once you understand the key principles. Here's what I learned: You're absolutely right that you can maximize the $5,250 exclusion across multiple years. Since your reimbursements will span 2025-2026 (and potentially into 2027 if any payments are delayed), you can indeed take advantage of the annual exclusion in each year you receive payments. For your 2024 taxes, you'll report the 1099-T but won't report any reimbursement income since you didn't receive any in 2024. The January 2025 reimbursement will count toward your 2025 tax year, and so on. One thing to watch out for that saved me money: make sure your employer properly codes the reimbursements on your W-2. The first $5,250 each year should be excluded from your taxable wages, not just have taxes calculated differently. If they're including the full amount as taxable income, you'll need to work with HR to get that corrected. Also consider whether you want to claim education credits (like Lifetime Learning Credit) on the expenses that aren't covered by the tax-free reimbursement - just remember you can't use the same expenses for both benefits.
This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping for! Thank you so much, Lara. It's reassuring to hear from someone who's actually been through this process successfully. One follow-up question: when you mention making sure the employer properly codes the reimbursements on the W-2, how quickly did you catch that issue? I'm wondering if I should proactively reach out to HR now to make sure they understand the tax treatment, or if it's better to wait and see how it appears on my 2025 W-2 first. Also, did you find that the education credits were worth pursuing for the non-reimbursed portion, or were the income limits too restrictive for someone in an Executive MBA program? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the extra complexity.
Anyone know if Treasury checks expire if they're not cashed? My buddy had one lost in USPS limbo for months... turned his tax season into a horror movie sequel: "Return of the Missing Refund." ๐
Military member here - dealt with this during my last PCS. Don't rely on USPS forwarding for Treasury checks! Even with mail forwarding set up, government checks often have restrictions. Here's what worked for me: 1) Put an immediate mail hold at your old address, 2) Contact your old post office directly and explain the situation - they can sometimes hold specific pieces like Treasury checks, 3) If possible, have someone you trust at your old location check the mail that day. The IRS can reissue if needed, but it adds weeks to the process. Since you're military, you might also want to update your address on MyPay if you haven't already - helps for future tax documents.
This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm also military and just went through a PCS move last year. One thing I'd add - make sure to check if your finance office can help expedite any address changes with the IRS. Some bases have liaisons who can assist with tax-related issues during PCS moves. Also, if you do end up having to get the check reissued, keep all your PCS orders handy as documentation for the IRS - it can help speed up the process when they see it's military-related.
I'm dealing with this exact situation right now and it's so stressful! Filed my missing 2021 return in January and still waiting for my 2023 refund to release. Reading through everyone's experiences here is actually really helpful - at least I know I'm not alone in this waiting game. @Monique Byrd thanks for the specific IRM reference, that's exactly the kind of official guidance I was looking for. @Jackie Martinez I'm going to start watching for that TC290 code you mentioned. Does anyone know if there's a way to tell if your prior year return has actually been processed vs just received? My transcript still shows "no record of return filed" for 2021 but I got a confirmation when I e-filed it 6 weeks ago.
@Fernanda Marquez The no "record of return filed status" on your transcript is actually normal for the first 4-6 weeks after e-filing a prior year return. The IRS has to move it through several internal processing stages before it shows up on your account transcript. You ll'know it s'been processed when you see the return appear with posting dates and transaction codes. In the meantime, you can call the practitioner priority line if (you have a POA or) use the regular customer service line to confirm they received your return - they can see it in their system even before it posts to your transcript. Hang in there, 6 weeks is still within the normal processing window!
I went through this same situation two years ago and it was absolutely maddening! I had 570/971 codes on my 2021 return because I hadn't filed 2020 (long story involving a move and lost documents). What really helped me was understanding that there are actually TWO separate processing queues - one for the missing return and one for releasing the hold on your current year refund. My timeline was: Filed missing 2020 return on January 15th โ saw it post to transcript February 28th โ hold released on 2021 return March 14th. So about 8 weeks total, but only 2 weeks after the prior year actually posted to my account. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: don't panic if you see additional transaction codes appear during the waiting period. I saw a 766 code show up that scared me, but my tax preparer explained it was just part of the normal processing flow. The key milestone to watch for is when your missing year actually appears on your transcript with a 150 code - that's when you know the countdown to hold release has really started!
Has anyone actually been audited for claiming treaty benefits incorrectly? I filled out a W-8BEN last year and just guessed on the treaty part (I'm from India). My employer accepted it and I got the reduced withholding rate. Now I'm worried I did it wrong.
Yes, they do audit these! A colleague of mine from France incorrectly claimed treaty benefits for income that wasn't eligible (he was here longer than the treaty allowed). The IRS caught it during processing and sent him a bill for the under-withheld tax plus interest. His employer also got penalized for not properly verifying his treaty eligibility. Don't mess around with treaty claims - the IRS does check them.
Thanks for letting me know! That's really concerning. I think I need to double check what I submitted. My company didn't really verify anything - they just accepted whatever I wrote on the form. Do you know if there's a way to correct this retroactively before I get audited? Should I file an amended return or just make sure I get it right going forward?
Hey Kiara! I went through this exact same situation when I moved from Toronto to work in Seattle last year. For your situation as a Canadian software developer, you'll definitely want to use Form 8233 (not W-8BEN). For the treaty benefits section, you'll reference Article XV of the US-Canada tax treaty. The key things to fill out are: - Treaty Article: XV (or 15) - Rate of withholding: 0% (if you qualify) - Type of income: Employment/Personal Services Income - Explanation: Something like "Canadian resident temporarily working in US, qualifying under Article XV conditions" The main qualification requirements are: you're present in the US for less than 183 days in any 12-month period, your employer is Canadian or the compensation isn't borne by a US permanent establishment of your Canadian employer, and you maintain Canadian tax residency. Since you're making $85K, getting this right could save you significant money in withholding taxes. I'd recommend double-checking the exact treaty language in IRS Publication 901 or using one of the tools others mentioned to make sure you get all the details correct. Don't just guess - the IRS does verify these claims!
This is super helpful, thank you! Just to clarify on the 183-day rule - does that count from when I first entered the US for work, or is it based on the calendar year? I moved here in September, so I'm trying to figure out if I need to track days from September to the following August, or just worry about calendar year totals. Also, since my employer is a US company but I'm maintaining my Canadian tax residency, does that affect which conditions I need to meet under Article XV?
NebulaNomad
Just wanted to add that if you're using tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block, they have specific sections for rental properties where you can enter these different scenarios. I had a similar situation (rented out my basement for part of the year, then the whole house), and the software walked me through allocating expenses properly. The key is to create TWO separate rental property entries in the software - one for the partial rental (1 bedroom of 3) and another for the whole house rental. That way you can enter the correct percentage allocation for each period. Just make sure the addresses show it's the same physical property (you might need to add "Room 1" or something to distinguish them).
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Luca Ferrari
โขDoes this actually work? I tried doing two separate entries in TaxAct last year and my return got rejected because it looked like I had two different rental properties with the same address. Maybe I did something wrong? It would be great if this works because my situation is even more complicated - I rented 2 rooms for 3 months, then 1 room for 2 months, then the whole house.
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NebulaNomad
โขYou're right that it can sometimes cause issues if not done correctly. The trick I found was to clearly distinguish the entries. In TurboTax, I entered the first one as "123 Main St - Partial Rental" and the second as "123 Main St - Full Rental" in the property description fields. I also made sure to include a note in the miscellaneous section explaining the situation. For your more complicated situation, you might need to create three separate entries with very clear date ranges and descriptions. The other approach is to calculate a weighted average for the year - like if you rented 2/4 of the house for 3/12 of the year, then 1/4 for 2/12, then 4/4 for 7/12 of the year. That gives you an overall percentage to apply to annual expenses. But for one-time expenses during specific periods, use the allocation that applied during that time.
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Nia Wilson
Don't forget about depreciation! This gets super complicated when you switch from partial to full rental. The way I understand it: 1) For the period when you rented just one bedroom, you start depreciation on just that portion (1/3) of the house 2) When you convert to full rental, you start depreciation on the remaining portion (2/3) using the fair market value at the time of conversion You'll end up with two different depreciation schedules for the same property. Also, don't forget to exclude the value of the land from your depreciation calculations.
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Mateo Martinez
โขThis is so confusing. So are you saying we need to get an appraisal at the time we convert from partial to full rental? And what about when we convert back to personal use later? I'm trying to do all this myself without paying an accountant and I'm regretting it now lol.
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Charlee Coleman
โขYou don't necessarily need a formal appraisal, but you do need to establish the fair market value when you convert the remaining portion to rental use. You can use comparable sales, online valuation tools, or a real estate agent's opinion. The IRS just wants a reasonable basis for the value. For the depreciation, yes it gets complex - you'll have two different basis amounts and start dates. I'd strongly recommend at least a consultation with a tax professional for this part, even if you do the rest yourself. The depreciation rules are tricky and mistakes here can be costly down the road when you sell the property. And yes, when you convert back to personal use, you stop depreciating that portion. Keep detailed records of all the conversion dates and values!
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