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Gabriel Ruiz

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Carmen, I'm dealing with a similar situation with my business truck that I took Section 179 on. One thing to keep in mind is that since you're underwater on the loan ($32K owed vs $28K value), you'll need to come up with $4K cash to pay off the loan difference when you sell, ON TOP OF dealing with the depreciation recapture taxes. Have you calculated what your actual basis is in the vehicle right now? If you took $56K in depreciation initially and haven't taken much additional depreciation since (given it's only been about 3 years), your basis might be around $14K. That means if you sell for $28K, you'd have a $14K recapture amount taxed as ordinary income. My suggestion would be to run the numbers on keeping it one more year while looking for a replacement business vehicle. If you can time the purchase of a new business vehicle in the same tax year you sell this one, the new depreciation deduction might help offset the recapture hit significantly.

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This is really helpful Gabriel! I hadn't fully considered that I'd need to bring $4K to the table just to get out of the loan, plus deal with the tax hit. That's a lot of cash outflow all at once. The timing strategy you mentioned about purchasing a replacement vehicle in the same tax year makes a lot of sense. Do you know if there are any restrictions on what type of vehicle I'd need to buy to get the offsetting depreciation benefit? Would it need to be another 6000+ lb vehicle or could I go with something smaller and more fuel efficient for my business needs?

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StarSurfer

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@Anastasia Sokolov For the replacement vehicle depreciation, you don t'necessarily need another 6000+ lb vehicle to get depreciation benefits, but the heavier vehicles do qualify for more generous Section 179 treatment. Vehicles under 6000 lbs have depreciation caps that limit how much you can deduct in the first year around ($11,200 for 2024 ,)while vehicles over 6000 lbs used more than 50% for business can qualify for full Section 179 treatment up to the annual limit. So if you buy a smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicle, you ll'still get some depreciation to help offset the recapture, but it might not be as much as what you d'get with another heavy SUV. The trade-off is better fuel economy and lower maintenance costs going forward. You ll'want to run the numbers on both scenarios to see which works better for your specific situation.

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Carmen, before you make any decisions, I'd strongly recommend getting a precise calculation of your current adjusted basis in the vehicle. Since you took 80% Section 179 depreciation in 2021 ($56K), plus any additional MACRS depreciation in 2022-2024, your basis could be even lower than the $14K others have estimated. One strategy worth exploring is timing the sale for early next year if possible. This would give you time to research and potentially purchase a replacement business vehicle in late 2024, allowing you to take significant depreciation deductions this year to help cushion the recapture hit when it comes in 2025. Also consider that since you're selling at a loss compared to your original purchase price, you'll have both depreciation recapture (taxed as ordinary income) AND a capital loss on the transaction. The capital loss can offset other capital gains, though it's limited if you don't have gains to offset. Given the complexity of heavy vehicle depreciation rules and the substantial amounts involved, this might be worth a consultation with a tax professional who specializes in business vehicle transactions.

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Mary Bates

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This is excellent advice about timing the transaction across tax years! I hadn't thought about the capital loss aspect either - that's a silver lining I didn't realize existed. Quick question though - when you mention taking "significant depreciation deductions this year to help cushion the recapture hit," are you referring to purchasing the replacement vehicle in late 2024? And would the capital loss from selling below the original purchase price be calculated on the full $42K difference ($70K original price minus $28K sale price), or is it more complicated because of the business use percentage? I'm definitely leaning toward getting professional help with this calculation given all the moving pieces involved.

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NebulaKnight

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Has anyone considered the QBI deduction (Section 199A) impact when deciding between S Corp vs. sole proprietor? I've heard that having too high of a salary in an S Corp can reduce your QBI deduction.

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This is actually a really important point. The QBI deduction is 20% of your business profit MINUS your wages. So if you take more as salary in an S Corp, you're reducing your QBI deduction potential. But there's a balance - if your total income is over the threshold ($182,100 single/$364,200 joint for 2025), the QBI deduction starts to phase out for certain service businesses anyway. It gets complicated fast!

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who made the S Corp election two years ago in a similar situation, I wanted to share some real-world experience. My consulting business was pulling in about $280k, and I set my reasonable salary at $160k (just under the OASDI limit at the time). Even with that salary level, I still saved roughly $3,500 annually on Medicare taxes from the distributions. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you factor in the quarterly estimated tax payments on your distributions. Unlike salary where taxes are withheld automatically, you're responsible for making those payments yourself. I got hit with underpayment penalties my first year because I didn't adjust my estimates properly. Also, the administrative burden is real. Beyond the extra tax filings, you need to run actual payroll (even if it's just for yourself), maintain corporate minutes, and keep business and personal finances completely separate. It's definitely more work than being a sole proprietor, but the tax savings and liability protection have been worth it for my situation. The key is running the numbers for YOUR specific circumstances - income level, state taxes, industry standards for reasonable compensation, and your tolerance for additional paperwork and compliance requirements.

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QuantumQuest

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Thanks for sharing your real-world experience! The point about quarterly estimated taxes is huge - I hadn't really thought about how much more complex the cash flow management becomes when you're responsible for making those payments yourself instead of having them automatically withheld from payroll. Quick question: when you mention maintaining corporate minutes, how detailed do those need to be for a single-owner S Corp? Is it just documenting major decisions like salary changes and distributions, or do you need to record routine business activities too? I'm trying to understand the ongoing compliance burden beyond just the tax filings. Also, did you find any good resources or software that helped streamline the administrative side? The tax savings sound worthwhile but I want to make sure I'm not underestimating the time commitment involved in staying compliant.

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Diego Flores

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@d7c3b0e696ad Great breakdown on the real-world experience! I'm curious about one thing you mentioned - you said you set your salary "just under the OASDI limit at the time." Was that intentional to maximize the Social Security tax savings, or was that just what worked out to be reasonable for your industry? I'm trying to figure out if there's a sweet spot for salary optimization when you're right around that threshold. It seems like there might be a strategy to keep the salary just under the OASDI limit to get maximum benefit from both the employment tax savings AND the QBI deduction that someone mentioned earlier. Also, did you ever get any pushback from the IRS or your state about your salary level being too low? I keep hearing horror stories about S Corp audits focused on reasonable compensation.

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Manny Lark

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I completely understand your frustration - been there with my own family medical situation last year. Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like you're still within the normal processing window, especially if you claimed any credits. One thing that helped me manage the anxiety was setting up a simple daily reminder to check just once in the morning rather than constantly throughout the day. Since the system updates overnight, you're not missing anything by checking multiple times. Given that this is for your mom's medical expenses, you might want to look into the Taxpayer Advocate Service that Jade mentioned if you get past the 21-day mark. They can sometimes help expedite returns when there's a genuine hardship situation. You'd need to document the medical expenses, but it's worth knowing that option exists. Hang in there - the waiting is the worst part, but most returns do process normally even when WMR seems stuck forever.

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Diego Chavez

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Thank you for the practical advice about setting a daily reminder instead of obsessive checking - that's exactly what I needed to hear! The medical expense situation adds so much stress to an already frustrating process. I'm definitely going to look into the Taxpayer Advocate Service if I hit that 21-day mark. It's reassuring to know there are options specifically for hardship situations like this. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and offer genuine support!

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I feel your pain on this - the constant checking becomes almost compulsive when you're waiting on funds for something important like your mom's medical expenses. From what everyone's shared here, it sounds like the overnight update schedule is pretty consistent, so you're really just torturing yourself by checking throughout the day. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you can sign up for IRS email notifications through your online account. It won't speed up the process, but at least you'll get an email when there's actually an update instead of having to remember to check manually. Saved my sanity last year when I was in a similar situation. The 21-day timeline everyone mentions is from your acceptance date, not filing date - just make sure you're counting from the right starting point. And honestly, if this is for medical expenses, don't feel bad about calling after 21 days if needed. Your mom's health is more important than worrying about potentially annoying an IRS agent. Hope you get good news soon - the waiting really is the hardest part.

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Is the letter asking you to pay something? If its saying you owe money make sure it's actually from the IRS. There are sooo many scams going around! Real IRS letters have a notice number, your tax ID info, and official letterhead. Scam letters usually demand immediate payment thru gift cards or wire transfers.

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Sean O'Brien

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Great point! Also check the return address - official IRS letters come from places like Kansas City, MO; Austin, TX; or Ogden, UT. And they'll NEVER ask you to pay by bitcoin, gift cards, or wire transfer. If you're unsure, you can always call the main IRS number (not the one on the letter if you're suspicious) to verify it's legitimate.

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This exact thing happened to me about 6 months ago! Got a letter claiming I had sent them something in early 2024 that I definitely never sent. Turns out it was a processing error on their end - someone else's correspondence got mixed up with my account somehow. Here's what worked for me: I gathered my tax return from last year, the confusing letter, and my SSN, then called the number printed on the actual letter (never use random numbers you find online). The agent was able to see immediately that there was no correspondence from me in their system and that the letter was sent in error. The whole call took about 20 minutes once I got through (waited maybe 45 minutes on hold), and they sent me a written confirmation that the matter was closed. Definitely call them - these mix-ups are more common than you'd think, and they can usually sort it out pretty quickly once you get a human on the line. Don't stress too much about it!

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Emma Wilson

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I'm glad I found this discussion! I'm in a somewhat similar situation but with a twist - I sold shares of a stock at a loss last week and I have both sold calls AND sold puts that expire next month. The puts are cash-secured puts that I sold before I owned the stock. From what I'm reading here, the sold calls shouldn't be an issue since I'm exiting the position entirely. But I'm wondering about the cash-secured puts I sold - if those get assigned and I have to buy the stock, would that trigger a wash sale on my original loss? It seems like the puts could potentially force me back into the stock within the 61-day window, which sounds like it might be problematic. Anyone dealt with a situation like this before?

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Yes, you're absolutely right to be concerned about the sold puts! This is a more complex situation than the original poster's. If your cash-secured puts get assigned and you're forced to purchase the stock, that would very likely trigger a wash sale on your original loss since you'd be reacquiring the same security within the 61-day window. The key difference is that while sold calls represent an obligation to potentially sell (reducing exposure), sold puts represent an obligation to potentially buy (increasing exposure). If assignment occurs, you'd be establishing a new long position in the same stock you sold at a loss. You might want to consider buying back your sold puts to close them before expiration if you want to preserve your tax loss. The cost to close might be worth it to avoid the wash sale issue, depending on how much premium you'd have to pay versus the tax benefit of your loss. This is definitely a situation where you might want to consult with a tax professional who understands options, as the timing and mechanics of assignment could affect how the wash sale rule applies.

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This is a great question that highlights how nuanced wash sale rules can be with options! Based on the discussion here and my understanding of the regulations, you should be fine in your specific situation. Since you sold call options (wrote covered calls) rather than purchased them, and you're planning to let them expire naturally, you're not establishing any new position that would trigger a wash sale. The key is that writing calls creates an obligation to potentially deliver shares, not a right to acquire them. When they expire worthless, you're simply fulfilling that obligation and completely exiting your position. The wash sale rule is really designed to prevent people from claiming losses while maintaining substantially identical positions. In your case, you're doing the opposite - you sold the stock at a loss and are letting your call obligations expire, which represents a complete exit from the position. Just make sure you don't buy back into the same stock or purchase new call options within 30 days of your original sale, and you should be able to claim that $1,800 loss without any issues. The timing of your calls expiring this Friday actually works perfectly since it gives you a clean break from the entire position.

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