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Amaya Watson

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The 810 freeze code creates a unique situation where your return exists in the IRS system but hasn't entered the normal processing workflow yet. Think of it like a package that's been delivered to a sorting facility but is sitting in a special verification area before being sent down the main conveyor belt. From a technical standpoint, this is actually the most secure approach. The IRS learned from past years when identity thieves would file fraudulent returns that would get processed (generating codes like TC 150) before the real taxpayer filed. By implementing the 810 freeze at the front end, they prevent fraudulent returns from creating tax account pollution. Your situation is frustrating but completely normal for an ID verification case. Once you complete verification through IDVerify.irs.gov or by phone, you should see your return move into standard processing within 2-3 weeks, at which point you'll start seeing the familiar sequence of transaction codes appear on your transcript.

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Ava Garcia

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This is such a helpful technical explanation! I'm dealing with the exact same 810-only situation right now and was starting to panic that something was wrong with my return. The package/sorting facility analogy really helps me understand what's happening. I've been checking my transcript obsessively waiting for more codes to appear, but now I understand why there's literally nothing else there yet. Going to complete the ID verification online today - thanks for explaining that this is actually the system working as intended rather than some kind of error!

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Carmen Ortiz

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! Just the 810 code and nothing else on my transcript for the past 3 weeks. Reading through all these responses really helps explain what's happening - I had no idea the return wasn't even being processed yet. I thought maybe there was a system glitch or something was wrong with my filing. The security checkpoint analogy makes total sense, though it's frustrating as a taxpayer to be stuck in limbo. I tried calling the regular IRS number twice and got nowhere - they kept saying my return hadn't been processed yet without explaining why. Now I understand I need to specifically mention identity verification when I call. Going to try the online verification at IDVerify.irs.gov first thing tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed it works and I can get out of this holding pattern! Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it's reassuring to know this is normal (even if annoying) and not some kind of serious issue with my return.

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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you keep VERY detailed records of all your recharacterizations and conversions. I got audited last year specifically on IRA transactions, and without my documentation showing the exact dates and amounts, it would have been a nightmare. For the original poster, make sure you document: 1. Your original $6,900 Roth contribution date 2. The recharacterization date and total amount ($12.7K) 3. Your new Traditional contribution ($7,500) 4. The conversion back to Roth This paper trail will be crucial if questions ever come up years later.

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How long should we keep these records for? And what specific documents should I be saving - just the year-end statements or something more detailed?

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You should keep these records for at least 7 years, but honestly, for retirement account transactions, I recommend keeping them indefinitely. I had to reference a recharacterization from 9 years ago during my audit! As for what to keep, don't just save year-end statements. Save the confirmation receipts for each transaction (contribution, recharacterization, conversion), any 1099-R forms, and your amended tax returns. If you received any letters from your IRA custodian about the recharacterization, keep those too. The more documentation you have, the easier it will be to explain these complex transactions if you're ever questioned.

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Something to be aware of - the recharacterization makes it look like you never contributed to the Roth in the first place, but your 2024 conversion of $7,500 from Traditional to Roth IS reportable on your 2024 taxes. You'll get another 1099-R for that. And don't forget about Form 8606 for the Traditional IRA contribution. It's super confusing but critical to track the non-deductible contributions if you're over the income limit!

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Caleb Stone

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Why do you need Form 8606 if you immediately convert the Traditional IRA to Roth? Doesn't that make the whole thing moot since the money doesn't stay in the Traditional IRA?

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Evelyn Xu

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You still need Form 8606 even if you convert immediately because it tracks the basis in your Traditional IRA. Without it, the IRS assumes your entire Traditional IRA balance is pre-tax money, so when you convert to Roth, they'll tax the full amount. Form 8606 tells them "hey, this $7,500 was already taxed money (non-deductible contribution), so don't tax it again during the conversion." It's basically protecting you from double taxation on that money.

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Nia Wilson

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in the same boat rn... verified 3 weeks ago still waiting. this whole process is a joke fr fr 🤔

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mood. irs living in 1985 fr

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Good luck tomorrow! I just went through this last week. Definitely bring passport or driver's license, Social Security card, and all your tax docs (W-2s, 1099s, etc). Also bring a recent utility bill or bank statement for address verification - they asked me for that too. The whole appointment took about 30 minutes and they were actually pretty nice about it. Just be patient with the timeline after - mine took about 7 weeks but worth the wait!

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Mason Davis

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My accountant charges me $275/hr and I've spent over $800 just trying to understand this exact issue lol. One tip that helped me: create a spreadsheet comparing your gross receipts (line 1a) all the way down to ordinary business income (line 21) for the last few years. I did this and finally could see exactly which expenses were causing the biggest differences between total income and ordinary business income. Gave me a much clearer picture of my business finances and helped me explain it to my partners.

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That's actually genius - I never thought of doing a line-by-line comparison like that. Does this also help with estimating quarterly taxes? I'm always way off when I try to calculate those.

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As someone who went through this same confusion when I first started my S Corp, let me add another perspective. The key thing to remember is that the 1120-S is really just an informational return - the actual taxation happens on your personal return through the K-1. Here's what helped me understand it: Think of "total income" as everything your business brought in the door, while "ordinary business income" is what's left after you pay for the cost of running the business. The ordinary business income is what actually matters for your taxes because that's what flows through to your Schedule K-1. For the "how much does your business make" question, I've learned to be specific: "We did $X in revenue last year with $Y in profit." This way you're not misleading anyone, and it shows you understand your financials. Banks especially appreciate when you can speak to both numbers clearly. One more tip: Keep a simple one-page summary that shows both figures with a brief explanation of the major expense categories that bridge the gap. It's been super helpful when I need to explain my business performance quickly to lenders, partners, or even family members who ask how the business is doing.

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Lucas Adams

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This is really helpful advice! I like the idea of keeping a one-page summary - that would definitely save me from stumbling through explanations every time someone asks about my business performance. Do you have any suggestions for what expense categories to highlight on that summary? I'm thinking maybe cost of goods sold, payroll, and office expenses as the main buckets, but I'm not sure if there are other major ones that typically make up the difference between total income and ordinary business income.

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Will My $5,880 Negative Balance on 2022 IRS Transcript Result in Refund? HOH Filer with $17,557 AGI and $6,164 EIC

Just got my 2022 tax transcript and I'm really confused about what I'm looking at. According to my Internal Revenue Service United States Department of the Treasury Account Transcript (requested on 03-10-2023, response date 03-10-2023), my adjusted gross income shows as $17,557.00 and I filed as Head of Household with 3 exemptions. The transcript shows self employment tax of $2,543.00 (my SE taxable income was $16,623.00), and I received an earned income credit of $6,164.00. Looking at the transactions, there's also another credit of $2,259.00 dated 04-15-2023. My account balance shows -$5,880.00 (as of March 28, 2023), with $0.00 in accrued interest and penalties. The transcript shows my taxable income as $0.00. I'm looking at these numbers and transactions: 150 Tax return filed: $2,543.00 (Cycle 20231005, date 03-27-2023) 766 Credit to your account: -$2,259.00 (dated 04-15-2023) 768 Earned income credit: -$6,164.00 (dated 04-15-2023) My return due date or return received date (whichever is later) is shown as Apr. 15, 2023, with a processing date of Mar 27, 2023. The document references my filing information with a code 76211-453-84433-3. The transcript clearly states "ANY MINUS SIGN SHOWN BELOW SIGNIFIES A CREDIT AMOUNT" and shows my "ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount): -$5,880.00" Can someone break this down for me? With these credits and the negative account balance showing -$5,880.00, I'm not sure if this means I'm getting a refund or if I owe money. The transcript is dated March 10, 2023, and shows a processing date of March 27, 2023.

CosmicCruiser

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Watch ur bank account like a hawk. Mine hit exactly 5 days after processing date

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Malik Davis

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good to know! ill keep checking šŸ‘€

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Ethan Wilson

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The IRS transcript can definitely be confusing at first glance! Just to add some context to what others have said - that $2,259 credit (Code 766) might be the Child Tax Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit since you filed HOH with 3 exemptions. The combination of your EIC ($6,164) plus that additional credit ($2,259) minus your self-employment tax ($2,543) gives you that sweet $5,880 refund. Since your processing date was March 27th and credits posted April 15th, your refund should have been issued shortly after. Have you received it yet or are you still waiting?

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