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I feel for you - the uncertainty is the worst part! I went through a similar CP05 review last year after amending and it took about 6 months total, but I did eventually get my full refund. The key thing that helped me was staying organized with all my documentation and being patient (easier said than done, I know). One tip: if you haven't already, create an online IRS account so you can monitor your transcripts - look for any 846 codes which indicate refund processing. The fact that they acknowledged your amendment fixed the frivolous filing issue is definitely a positive sign. Try calling that 866 number they provided if you hit the 120-day mark with no updates. Hang in there - most people in your situation do get their refunds eventually! š¤
Thanks for sharing your experience! 6 months sounds about right from what I'm hearing from others. I actually just set up my online IRS account last week after reading similar advice - you're right that the transcripts are super helpful even though they're confusing at first. I'll definitely keep an eye out for that 846 code you mentioned. It's reassuring to hear that most people eventually get their refunds. The waiting game is just brutal but posts like yours give me hope! š
I'm going through almost the exact same thing right now! Filed in March, amended in July, got my CP05 in October. The "frivolous position" thing freaked me out at first but my tax preparer explained it's usually something minor that gets flagged by their system. The good news is you avoided that huge penalty! I've been checking my transcripts weekly and calling every month or so. No movement yet but the IRS rep told me amended returns with CP05 letters are taking 4-6 months minimum this year due to staffing issues. I know the wait is killing you (trust me, I feel it too) but from everything I've read here and other forums, most people do eventually get their refunds. Keep your documentation ready and maybe try calling that number if you haven't heard anything by the 4-month mark. We got this! šŖ
This gives me so much hope to hear from someone in almost the exact same timeline! š Your tax preparer's explanation about the "frivolous position" being something minor makes total sense - I was really confused about what that even meant. It's crazy that amended returns are taking 4-6 months minimum now, but at least we know it's not just us. I've been hesitant to call because I figured they'd just tell me to wait, but maybe I'll try next month if nothing changes. Thanks for the encouragement - it really helps to know we're not alone in this! šŖ
This is such a timely discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with an added wrinkle - one of my partnerships changed their reporting method mid-stream. For the first two years, they reported my guaranteed payments in Box 5 as interest, but last year they switched to Box 4b without any changes to the partnership agreement. When I called to ask about the change, the partnership's accountant said they got advice that Box 4b was "more appropriate" for guaranteed payments for capital contributions, but couldn't give me specifics about what changed their analysis. This creates a headache for me because now I have inconsistent treatment across years for the identical economic arrangement. Has anyone dealt with a partnership changing their reporting approach? Should I be concerned about this inconsistency, or is it actually a correction that's beneficial in the long run? I'm also curious - for those who've spoken with IRS agents about this topic, did they indicate any preference for how partnerships should be reporting these payments? Or is it truly just a matter of reasonable interpretation based on the agreement terms?
I haven't personally dealt with a partnership changing their reporting method mid-stream, but from what I understand, this kind of inconsistency across years could potentially raise questions if you're audited. However, if the partnership made the change based on better tax advice, it's likely they corrected to a more defensible position. The fact that they switched from Box 5 to Box 4b suggests they may have gotten advice that your arrangement truly constitutes guaranteed payments under Section 707(c) rather than interest payments. This could actually be beneficial long-term if it better reflects the legal substance of your investment. I'd recommend documenting the partnership's explanation for the change and keeping it with your tax records. If questioned, you can show that the partnership made the change based on professional advice, not arbitrary decision-making. You might also want to ask the partnership for a written explanation of why they believe Box 4b treatment is more appropriate - this could be helpful if consistency issues come up later. As for IRS preferences, from what others have shared here, it seems like agents focus more on whether the reporting matches the actual terms of the partnership agreement rather than having a blanket preference for one box over another.
I've been following this thread closely because I'm dealing with almost identical issues with my partnership investments. What strikes me is how much confusion exists even among tax professionals about the proper treatment of guaranteed payments for capital. One thing I'd add to this discussion is the importance of looking at the actual partnership agreement language. I've found that many partnerships use terms like "preferred return," "priority distribution," and "guaranteed payment" interchangeably, but they have very different tax implications. A true guaranteed payment under Section 707(c) is supposed to be determined without regard to partnership income - meaning you get paid even if the partnership loses money. If your payment is contingent on partnership profits, it's more likely an allocation that should go in Box 1, not a guaranteed payment in Box 4. For those dealing with PFIC issues, I'd strongly recommend getting professional help with the QEF elections. The timing and calculation requirements are incredibly complex, and mistakes can be costly. The excess distribution rules under Section 1291 are particularly punitive if you don't have a proper QEF election in place. Regarding the NIIT question - yes, both guaranteed payments for capital and interest income are generally subject to the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax if you're not materially participating in the business. The "nonpassive" characterization on Schedule E doesn't exempt it from NIIT. Has anyone here dealt with partnerships that converted from domestic to foreign entities? I'm curious about the tax consequences of that conversion itself, separate from the ongoing PFIC issues.
Has anyone run into issues with banking or business operations by not having a Partnership Representative? We're trying to decide if we should just pay a US person to serve as our PR instead of opting out of BBA.
I haven't experienced any banking or business issues related to the PR status. Banks and business partners generally don't care about your tax filing elections - they're more concerned with your entity structure, EIN, and operational credentials. The PR is strictly an IRS requirement for handling audits. If you qualify for the BBA opt-out, there's really no advantage to paying someone to be your PR. The only time it might make sense is if you don't qualify for the opt-out (like if you have more than 100 partners or ineligible partner types) or if you specifically want centralized audit procedures.
I've been through this exact situation with my EU-based business partner last year! The BBA opt-out was definitely the right choice for us, and it's much simpler than it initially appears. Just to add to what others have mentioned - when we opted out, we didn't face any complications with our tax treaty benefits. Our accountant confirmed that the opt-out actually made things cleaner since it eliminated the need for ongoing PR correspondence with the IRS. One thing I'd recommend is double-checking that your partnership income is properly classified. Since you mentioned having income from outside the US, make sure you understand whether any of it constitutes "effectively connected income" (ECI). If it's not ECI, you likely won't need to file individual Form 1040-NR returns, which simplifies things considerably. Also, keep good records of your opt-out election. We created a simple file with copies of Schedule B and Schedule B-2 from our 1065 filing, along with notes about why we qualified for the election. It gives us peace of mind for future years. The whole process ended up being much more straightforward than we anticipated. With your simple financial situation, you should be able to handle this without too much difficulty once you understand the opt-out mechanics.
This is really helpful, Emma! I'm curious about the "effectively connected income" classification you mentioned. Our LLC income comes from consulting services we provide to US companies, but we perform all the work from Europe. Would this be considered ECI? I'm trying to figure out if we'll need those individual 1040-NR forms on top of the partnership return. Also, when you say "keep good records of your opt-out election," do you mean we should document this decision beyond just filing the forms? Are there any other compliance steps we should be taking as foreign partners who opted out? Thanks for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone who's actually been through this process!
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now! My employer said they'd have corrected W2s out "soon" back in February and it's now April. What I've learned from calling around is that while there's no specific deadline for W2c forms, the IRS does expect "prompt" correction once errors are discovered. Here's what worked for me: I called our payroll department and asked for the specific nature of the correction and an estimated timeline. Turns out mine was just a minor coding issue that wouldn't affect my refund at all. They told me I could file with the original W2 and just ignore the corrected one when it comes. If your employer won't give you details about what's being corrected, you might want to consider filing with your original W2 and amending later if needed. The longer you wait, the more you're potentially losing out on your refund or owing penalties if you end up owing taxes. At some point, the employer's delay becomes your financial problem, which isn't fair.
That's really helpful advice about calling to ask for the specific nature of the correction! I hadn't thought about asking what exactly was being fixed. If it's something minor that doesn't affect the refund, it would definitely ease my mind to know I could just file with the original W2. I'm getting more frustrated by the day since I was really counting on getting my refund by now. It sounds like at this point I need to be more proactive about pushing my employer for answers rather than just waiting around. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I completely understand your frustration! As someone who works in tax preparation, I see this situation way too often. While there's technically no hard deadline for corrected W-2s, "early March" turning into "end of March" is definitely unreasonable. Here's my practical advice: First, call your HR/payroll department TODAY and ask for two specific things: 1) What exactly is being corrected on the W-2, and 2) A firm date when you'll receive it. Don't accept vague answers like "soon." If the correction is minor (like a coding issue that doesn't affect your actual wages or withholdings), you can likely file with your original W-2 and ignore the corrected one. However, if it involves actual dollar amounts for wages, taxes withheld, or retirement contributions, you'll want to wait or file an amended return later. If they can't give you a firm timeline, I'd seriously consider filing with your original W-2 and amending later. You're losing potential refund money sitting in limbo, and if you end up owing taxes, you could face penalties for late filing. Your employer's inefficiency shouldn't cost you money or peace of mind.
This is really solid advice! I'm definitely going to call HR first thing tomorrow morning and ask those specific questions. You're absolutely right that I shouldn't just accept vague answers anymore - I need concrete information about what's being corrected and when I'll actually get the form. The point about losing potential refund money while waiting really hits home. I've been so focused on "doing the right thing" by waiting for the corrected W-2 that I didn't consider how the delay itself might be costing me. If it turns out to be something minor that doesn't affect the actual numbers, I'll probably just go ahead and file with the original form. Thanks for breaking this down from a tax preparer's perspective - it's helpful to hear from someone who deals with these situations regularly!
Ethan Moore
This might be a dumb question, but wouldn't it just be easier to call FreeTaxUSA support? I had this exact same issue last year and their customer service walked me through the exact screens where I needed to indicate I was withdrawing contributions and not earnings.
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Yuki Kobayashi
ā¢Not a dumb question at all! I actually tried their support first before going down the rabbit hole of researching this. They were helpful, but the person I spoke with wasn't super familiar with Roth IRA distribution codes specifically.
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Sofia Price
I went through this exact same situation last year with a Code J distribution from my Roth IRA. The key thing to remember is that with Roth IRAs, the IRS assumes you're withdrawing contributions first (this is called the "ordering rules"), so as long as you haven't exceeded your total contribution basis, you should be fine. When you get to the FreeTaxUSA screen for entering your 1099-R, make sure you select "Roth IRA" as the account type. Then there should be a series of questions about whether this is a qualified distribution, early distribution, etc. Look for the question that asks if you're withdrawing contributions - this is where you indicate that your $5,000 came from contributions rather than earnings. The software should automatically generate Form 8606 Part III for you once you indicate this is a contribution withdrawal. Just make sure you have documentation of your total contributions over the years to verify that $5,000 doesn't exceed what you've put in. If you're unsure about your contribution history, check with your IRA provider - they usually track this information.
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Carmen Flores
ā¢This is really helpful! I'm new to Roth IRAs and had no idea about the "ordering rules" - that's actually a relief to know the IRS assumes contributions come out first. Quick follow-up question: if I do end up accidentally withdrawing some earnings along with contributions, is there a way to fix that on the tax form, or would I just need to pay the penalty on the earnings portion?
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