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Thanks for all the helpful advice everyone! I'm leaning toward putting $6,000 for the child tax credits instead of the full $8,000 to ensure I get that refund. Just to make sure I understand - when I file my actual tax return next year, I'll still claim all 4 kids and get the full $8,000 credit regardless of what I put on the W-4, right? The W-4 just affects how much they take out of my paychecks during the year? Also @Emma Johnson, thanks for the tip about checking the box in Step 2(c) since my spouse doesn't work - I definitely would have missed that!
That's exactly right! The W-4 only controls withholding during the year - it doesn't affect what credits you can claim when filing your actual tax return. So yes, you'll still get the full $8,000 child tax credit for all 4 kids when you file, regardless of putting $6,000 on your W-4. The difference just means you'll have had less withheld from your paychecks, resulting in that refund you want. Smart strategy to ensure you get that February bonus!
One more thing to consider - since you mentioned your household income is around $135K, you should be aware that the Child Tax Credit starts to phase out at $150K for married filing jointly (in 2025). You're well under that threshold, so you'll get the full $2,000 per child, but it's something to keep in mind if your income increases in future years. Also, with 4 kids, don't forget you might be eligible for the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you have any childcare expenses (even though your spouse stays home, you might have summer camps, after-school care, etc.). That's another credit that could affect your overall tax picture, though it won't change what you put on the W-4 since that credit can't be anticipated in withholding. Your plan to put $6,000 instead of $8,000 sounds solid for getting that refund you're looking for!
Great point about the phase-out threshold! It's reassuring to know there's some cushion there. Quick question - if someone's income does exceed that $150K threshold in future years, does the phase-out happen gradually or is it a cliff where you suddenly lose the whole credit? And does that phase-out affect how you should fill out your W-4, or do you just deal with it when filing your return? Also, the Child and Dependent Care Credit is something I hadn't thought about - even with a stay-at-home spouse, we do have some summer camp expenses. Good to know that won't complicate the W-4 but could help at tax time!
Just wanted to share my experience since I had this exact same question a few months ago! In my case, "Medical EE - SR" stood for "Medical Employee - Standard Rate" which was my contribution to the company health insurance plan. What really helped me was requesting a detailed breakdown of all deductions from payroll. Most companies are required to provide this if you ask, even if it takes them a while to respond. They sent me a document that explained every single code on my pay stub, which was super helpful for understanding not just the medical deduction but also things like life insurance, disability, and other benefits I didn't even know I had. The $87.50 biweekly amount sounds about right for employee-only standard tier coverage. One thing I'd suggest is making sure you're actually using the benefits you're paying for - I discovered I was paying for dental coverage that I never used because I already had dental through my spouse's plan. Saved me about $30 per paycheck once I dropped the duplicate coverage during open enrollment. If your HR is slow to respond via email, try calling them directly or stopping by in person if possible. Sometimes a quick 5-minute conversation can clear up what might take weeks of back-and-forth emails to resolve.
This is really great advice about requesting a detailed breakdown from payroll! I never thought about asking for that - I just assumed the cryptic codes on my pay stub were something I had to figure out on my own. Your point about duplicate coverage is especially helpful. I should probably do an audit of all my benefits to make sure I'm not paying for things I don't need or already have covered elsewhere. The dental example you mentioned makes me wonder if I might have similar overlaps. I think I'll try calling HR directly like you suggested. Sometimes it's just easier to have a real conversation rather than trying to explain everything in an email and waiting days for a response. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one who was confused by these deduction codes!
I had this exact same confusion when I first started working! "Medical EE - SR" typically means "Medical Employee - Standard Rate" and represents your portion of the health insurance premium that gets deducted from your paycheck. The "EE" definitely stands for "Employee" to distinguish it from employer contributions. One thing that really helped me understand all my deductions was downloading my pay stub and looking at it alongside my benefits enrollment materials. Most companies provide a benefits guide during onboarding that breaks down all the different plan options and their costs. If you can't find yours, definitely ask HR for a copy - it should show exactly what "SR" means at your specific company (could be Standard Rate, Senior Rate, or even Single Rate depending on your employer). The $87.50 biweekly amount seems very reasonable for employee-only health coverage. That works out to about $2,275 annually, which is actually on the lower end for decent health insurance these days. Just make sure you're enrolled in the plan that makes the most sense for your healthcare needs - sometimes people pick the middle-tier option without really comparing what they'd actually use versus the cost savings of a basic plan. If HR is being slow, try giving them a call directly rather than email. In my experience, a quick phone conversation often resolves these questions much faster than waiting for email responses!
This is really helpful! I'm new to understanding payroll deductions and this whole thread has been incredibly informative. The $87.50 biweekly amount the original poster mentioned actually seems pretty good compared to what some of my friends are paying at their jobs. I'm curious though - when you mention comparing what you'd "actually use" versus cost savings of a basic plan, how do you predict your healthcare usage for the year? I'm young and generally healthy, but I worry about unexpected medical issues. Is there a good rule of thumb for deciding between basic and standard plans? Also, does anyone know if these pre-tax health insurance deductions affect things like Social Security or unemployment benefits calculations, since they reduce your taxable income?
I completely understand your concern about this situation, Jamal. Your instincts are absolutely right - what your neighbor is suggesting is tax evasion, plain and simple. Here's the bottom line: You're required to report ALL income, regardless of how you're paid. At $300 per job doing 2-3 jobs monthly, you're looking at roughly $1,800-$2,700 per year. This definitely needs to be reported on your tax return. Your neighbor also has obligations - if he's paying you as an independent contractor and it totals $600+ per year, he should issue you a 1099-NEC. If not, you still need to report it as "other income" on your return. My advice: Start tracking all payments from now on, set aside about 25-30% for taxes (income tax plus self-employment tax), and consider making quarterly estimated payments to avoid a big bill next April. You might also be able to deduct work-related expenses like tools or mileage. Don't let your neighbor's casual attitude toward taxes put you at risk. The "everyone does it" mentality doesn't protect you from penalties, interest, or potential criminal charges. Better to handle this properly from the start than deal with IRS problems later.
This is really helpful advice, Alexis! I'm actually in a similar situation with some freelance work I've been doing. When you mention setting aside 25-30% for taxes, is that a general rule of thumb or does it depend on your regular income bracket? I'm worried I might be setting aside too little since I have a day job too and this pushes me into a higher tax bracket.
Great question, Cole! The 25-30% is a general starting point, but you're absolutely right that your total income matters. Since you have a day job, that freelance income gets taxed at your marginal rate (your highest bracket), not your average rate. If your day job already puts you in the 22% bracket, for example, that freelance income would face 22% federal income tax PLUS 15.3% self-employment tax, putting you closer to 37% total. You might want to calculate based on your actual marginal rate plus the 15.3% SE tax. I'd recommend using the IRS Form 1040ES worksheet or one of the online estimated tax calculators to get a more precise number for your situation. Better to overpay slightly and get a refund than underpay and face penalties!
Just want to echo what others have said - your gut feeling is absolutely correct. This is tax evasion, not a "tax headache avoidance strategy." I work in tax preparation and see people in similar situations all the time. The "everyone does it" line is classic - it's what people tell themselves to justify risky behavior. But the reality is that unreported income catches up with you eventually, often when you least expect it. A few practical points for your situation: - Keep detailed records of all payments (dates, amounts, work performed) - You'll likely need to file Schedule C for this self-employment income - Don't forget about self-employment tax (15.3%) in addition to regular income tax - Consider quarterly estimated payments if this continues The peace of mind from doing things correctly is worth way more than the temporary "savings" from hiding income. Plus, as a legitimate business expense, your neighbor can actually deduct what he pays you - so there's really no good reason for him to want to hide these payments other than avoiding his own tax obligations. Better to have an honest conversation with him about proper documentation, or find a different side gig if he's unwilling to do things legally.
This is excellent advice, Rajan. I'm actually new to understanding tax obligations and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening. One thing I'm curious about - when you mention having an "honest conversation" with the neighbor about proper documentation, what exactly should someone in Jamal's position say? I imagine it could be awkward to basically tell your employer they're asking you to commit tax fraud, especially if they seem to think it's totally normal. Any suggestions for how to approach that conversation diplomatically while still protecting yourself legally?
Tip from personal experience: whatever you do, FILE YOUR RETURN on time for 2024 even if you can't pay what you owe!! The penalty for not filing is WAY worse than the penalty for not paying. The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of unpaid taxes each month while failure-to-pay is only 0.5% monthly.
This is the best advice here tbh. I made this mistake and ended up paying an extra $4,000 in penalties because I didn't file since I couldn't pay. The IRS is actually pretty reasonable about payment plans if you're proactive and communicate with them.
Thanks for confirming! Yeah, it's something I wish I'd known earlier. I put off filing for almost 8 months because I couldn't pay what I owed, and those failure-to-file penalties absolutely destroyed me financially. I've found that the IRS is surprisingly willing to work with people on payment plans. Their interest rates aren't even that bad compared to credit cards or personal loans. The key is staying in communication and never ignoring notices.
I feel your pain on this one! I went through something similar a few years back and learned the hard way that the IRS treats each tax year completely separately. You'll definitely owe taxes on your 2024 income even though you're using it all to pay back 2023 taxes. Here's what I'd strongly recommend based on my experience: 1. Set up an installment agreement for your 2023 debt ASAP - this will give you breathing room to handle your 2024 taxes properly 2. File your 2024 return on time no matter what, even if you can't pay immediately (the failure-to-file penalties are brutal) 3. Consider making quarterly estimated payments for 2024 if possible to avoid underpayment penalties The good news is that any interest you pay on your tax debt is deductible on Schedule A (though penalties aren't). Also, the IRS is surprisingly reasonable about payment plans if you're proactive about reaching out to them. Don't let this become a snowball effect - deal with both years separately and you'll get through this!
Amina Diallo
As someone who works in payroll for a restaurant chain, I can confirm that your manager is absolutely giving you false information. This is unfortunately a very common tactic we see managers use to prevent good hosts from transitioning to serving roles. The reality is that tips are taxed as ordinary income at your regular tax rate - typically 10-12% federal for someone making $12/hour, plus 7.65% for FICA taxes, plus state taxes if applicable. So you're looking at roughly 20-25% total tax rate, meaning you keep 75-80% of every tip dollar. Here's what actually happens with your paychecks: Your employer reports your credit card tips automatically, and you're supposed to report cash tips. The restaurant then withholds taxes on both your hourly wage and reported tips. Many servers find that their $2.75/hour base wage isn't enough to cover all the withholding on tips, so they either owe at tax time or request additional withholding. But even accounting for taxes, servers consistently out-earn hosts by a significant margin. I've processed thousands of paychecks and can tell you that servers typically make 1.5-2x what hosts make, even after all taxes are considered. Your manager is prioritizing their own convenience over your financial growth. I'd recommend pushing back professionally - good hosts are valuable, but that doesn't mean you should be kept from advancing your career with tax misinformation.
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Jayden Hill
ā¢This is incredibly helpful coming from someone who actually processes restaurant payrolls! @Amina Diallo - your insight about the withholding situation is really valuable. When you mention that the $2.75 base wage often isn t'enough to cover tax withholding on tips, what would you recommend for someone transitioning from hosting to serving? Should they immediately ask for additional withholding from their paychecks, or is it better to set aside cash from tips? Also, when you say servers make 1.5-2x what hosts make even after taxes, is that based on full-time hours or does that ratio hold up even for part-time server shifts? I m'trying to figure out if it makes sense to do both roles or push for full-time serving. It s'really validating to hear from someone with access to actual payroll data that this tax excuse is complete nonsense. Makes me feel much more confident about pushing back on my manager s'claims!
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Mateo Perez
Your manager is absolutely lying to you - this is one of the most common myths in the restaurant industry! I've been serving for over 4 years and can tell you definitively that while you do pay taxes on tips, you keep the vast majority of that money. Here's the real math: Tips are taxed as regular income at your normal tax bracket (probably 10-12% federal for someone making $12/hour), plus FICA taxes (7.65%), plus state taxes if applicable. So you're looking at roughly 20-25% total taxes, meaning you keep 75-80% of your tips PLUS your $2.75 hourly base wage. On a typical busy shift where I make $200 in tips, I pay about $45 in taxes and keep $155 from tips alone - that's way more than I'd make hosting for the same hours at $12/hour. Even on slow nights when I only make $80 in tips, I still take home around $60 from tips plus hourly, which usually works out to $18-20/hour total. The reason your manager is telling you this is simple: good hosts are harder to find and train than servers, so they'd rather keep you where you are with tax misinformation than deal with hiring and training a replacement. It's purely for their convenience, not your financial benefit. I'd recommend being direct but professional - tell them you've researched the tax implications and you're comfortable with them, and you'd like to start server training as soon as possible. Most managers back down once they realize you know the tax excuse is complete BS. Don't let them cap your earning potential with lies about the tax code!
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Jayden Reed
ā¢This thread has been incredibly eye-opening for someone new to the restaurant industry! @Mateo Perez - your breakdown of keeping $155 out of $200 in tips really drives home how misleading the all "your money goes to taxes claim" is. It s'honestly pretty disappointing that this kind of misinformation is so widespread among managers. Reading everyone s'real experiences with actual numbers has given me so much confidence to push back when I hear similar claims from management. It seems like the key is doing your own research on tax rates rather than just accepting what you re'told, especially when it conveniently keeps you in a lower-paying position. For anyone else who might be lurking and dealing with similar situations - the consistency of these responses from servers, CPAs, and even someone in restaurant payroll makes it clear this is a well-known tactic. Don t'let managers limit your earning potential with tax myths!
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