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The EXACT same thing happened to me!! I was so angry I took screenshots of everything. My payment was "pending" for $1,243 but my account showed $0 paid! I was panicking thinking I'd get hit with late payment penalties or something. But it did finally update on the exact day they said it would. The whole time I was thinking "how can a company that literally specializes in FINANCIAL SOFTWARE have such a terrible payment tracking system??" 𤬠So frustrating but at least you know you're not alone in this mess!
I'm going through this exact same situation right now! My payment shows as pending with TurboTax support but my account dashboard still shows $0 paid. It's so stressful when you're dealing with tax payments and the system seems broken. Reading everyone's experiences here is really reassuring though - sounds like this is unfortunately just how their system works. The trace number definitely seems to be the key proof that everything is actually fine. Thanks for posting this Dylan, it's helping a lot of us who are in the same boat! I'll definitely be saving that trace number and waiting for my pending date.
I'm dealing with the same waiting game right now! My state portal updated to "sent" on Friday and I'm still refreshing my banking app every few hours. Based on what everyone's saying here, it sounds like 1-3 business days is pretty normal. I think the hardest part is that "sent" doesn't necessarily mean it left their system that exact day - could have been queued for the next ACH batch. Trying to stay patient but when you're expecting that money for bills, every day feels like forever! š
I totally feel you on the constant app refreshing! š I'm going through the exact same thing right now - my state showed "sent" on Wednesday and I've probably checked my account like 20 times today alone. It's so frustrating when you have bills due and you're just sitting there waiting for money that's supposedly "on its way." From what I'm reading here though, sounds like we're both still within that normal 1-3 business day window. Fingers crossed we both see our deposits soon!
I've been through this exact scenario multiple times over the years! The "sent" status can be a bit misleading because it usually means they've initiated the ACH transfer, not that it's actually left their system yet. In my experience, state refunds typically show up 1-2 business days after that status change, but I've had it take up to 4 business days during busy tax season when the ACH network gets congested. The good news is once you see "sent" you're basically guaranteed to get it - just a matter of waiting for the banking system to do its thing. I usually tell myself to expect it by day 3 so I'm pleasantly surprised if it comes earlier!
This is really helpful context! I'm actually new to tracking state refunds (usually just dealt with federal) and wasn't sure what "sent" really meant. Your explanation about ACH initiation vs actually leaving their system makes so much sense. I've been stressing since my status changed to "sent" yesterday morning and still nothing today, but sounds like I should give it at least until Thursday before worrying. Thanks for the realistic timeline expectations!
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! Filed my MI-1040 and homestead credit on January 28th and it's been under manual review since February 5th. The wait is brutal but from what I've read here and other forums, it seems like this is just the new normal for Michigan returns with property tax credits. I called the Treasury department last week and they basically said the same thing - June timeframe for manually reviewed returns. At least we're not alone in this! Hoping we all get our refunds sooner than expected š¤
Ugh, same here! Filed mine on February 2nd with the homestead credit and it's been under review since February 9th. It's so frustrating having to wait until June for our own money š© At least knowing it's happening to everyone makes me feel a bit better. Really hope Michigan can figure out a way to speed up this process for next year!
I'm dealing with this exact same situation! Filed my MI-1040 and homestead credit on February 1st and got the "manual review" status on February 8th. I've been checking eServices obsessively every day hoping for an update but nothing yet. The June timeline is really disappointing - I was counting on getting my refund much sooner. It's reassuring to see I'm not the only one though! Has anyone here who went through this last year actually received their refund around the June timeframe they mentioned, or did it come earlier/later? Just trying to set realistic expectations for myself at this point.
I went through this exact same thing last year with my homestead credit! Filed in early February and got the manual review status about a week later, just like you. Mine actually came through in late May, so slightly earlier than the June estimate they gave. The waiting was awful but the refund did eventually come. My advice is to just check eServices maybe once a week instead of daily - it'll save your sanity! The status usually doesn't change much until right before they process it. Hang in there! š¤
This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm currently on an F-1 visa (just started working on OPT) and planning to return to South Korea in about 18 months. I've only been contributing to my Roth IRA for about a year, but this discussion has me wondering if I should even continue given all the potential complications. From what I'm reading, it seems like even when the US treats qualified Roth distributions as tax-free, each home country has its own interpretation and compliance requirements that could significantly complicate things. South Korea has been implementing stricter foreign asset reporting requirements recently, and I'm concerned about the ongoing administrative burden. A few specific questions that this discussion has raised for me: 1) For those who went through this process, what was the total cost (legal fees, tax preparation, compliance, etc.) of managing the cross-border aspects? I'm trying to do a cost-benefit analysis of whether the Roth IRA benefits justify the complexity for someone with a relatively short US work period. 2) Has anyone considered just withdrawing their Roth contributions (which I understand are always tax-free) before leaving the US to avoid the ongoing international compliance issues? Obviously you'd lose the growth potential, but it might simplify things significantly. 3) Are there any alternative retirement savings strategies that work better for temporary US workers who plan to return home? Maybe focusing more on taxable investment accounts that might have simpler international treatment? The experiences everyone has shared really highlight how much more complex this is than I initially realized. Thank you all for the detailed insights - it's helping me make a much more informed decision about my retirement planning strategy!
@Liam McConnell - these are really practical questions that get to the heart of whether Roth IRAs make sense for temporary US workers! As someone who s'been through this process, I can share some insights on your specific questions. Regarding costs - in my experience, the ongoing compliance costs can add up significantly. Between annual cross-border tax preparation around ($500-1500/year depending on complexity ,)potential legal consultations for treaty interpretations, and the time investment in managing multiple country reporting requirements, you re'looking at meaningful ongoing expenses that could eat into your returns. Your second point about withdrawing contributions before leaving is actually quite smart for shorter US work periods. Since Roth contributions can always be withdrawn tax-free, this eliminates all the international complexity while preserving your capital. You lose the tax-free growth potential, but for someone with only 1-2 years of contributions, the administrative simplicity might be worth more than the foregone tax benefits. For alternative strategies, many temporary workers I know have focused on taxable brokerage accounts with broad-based index funds. While you lose the tax shelter, these accounts are generally much easier to manage internationally and most countries have clearer rules for taxing foreign investment income than they do for foreign retirement accounts. South Korea specifically has been tightening their foreign asset reporting requirements, so the compliance burden could be significant there. Given your relatively short US work timeline, the simplified approach might make more sense than dealing with decades of cross-border retirement account management. Have you calculated what the tax-free growth would need to be to justify the ongoing complexity and costs?
This has been such an incredibly detailed and helpful discussion! As someone who's been lurking in expat tax forums for months trying to understand this exact situation, I can't thank everyone enough for sharing their real-world experiences. I'm currently on an H1B visa planning to return to the Netherlands in about 2 years, and I've been contributing to my Roth IRA for the past 3 years. After reading through all these experiences, I'm realizing I need to research the Dutch tax treatment much more thoroughly than I initially thought. One thing that's become clear from everyone's stories is that the US-side tax treatment (qualified distributions being tax-free) is really just the beginning of the analysis. Each country's domestic tax law, reporting requirements, banking regulations, and even recent policy changes can completely change the practical benefits of maintaining a Roth IRA as an expat. @Liam McConnell - your questions about cost-benefit analysis really resonated with me. I'm starting to wonder if the complexity and ongoing compliance costs might outweigh the tax benefits, especially for those of us with shorter US work periods. The currency risk aspect that several people mentioned is also something I hadn't fully considered. With the euro-dollar exchange rate volatility, there's an additional layer of uncertainty about the real purchasing power of future distributions. I think I need to start researching Netherlands-specific treatment of US retirement accounts and possibly consult with a cross-border tax advisor sooner rather than later. This thread has made it clear that early planning with country-specific expertise is absolutely essential. Has anyone dealt with Dutch tax authorities regarding US retirement accounts, or found good resources for Netherlands-US tax treaty implications for retirement planning?
@Fiona Sand - I can actually help with the Netherlands situation! I went through this exact process when I moved back to Amsterdam three years ago with my Roth IRA. The good news is that the Netherlands generally has favorable treatment for US retirement accounts under the tax treaty. Qualified Roth IRA distributions are typically not subject to Dutch income tax, and the treaty s'pension article usually covers this. However, you will need to report the account annually to the Dutch tax authorities Belastingdienst (on) your income tax return under Box 3 if the balance exceeds the reporting threshold. One thing that s'specific to the Netherlands - they have a concept called fictitious "income fictief" (rendement for) foreign assets, but retirement accounts are generally exempt from this if they qualify under the treaty provisions. You ll'want to make sure your financial institution provides proper documentation showing it s'a qualified retirement account. The Dutch are generally quite efficient with tax treaty applications, but you should file Form 8833 with your US return if you re'claiming treaty benefits. Also, consider getting a statement from the Belastingdienst confirming their position on your specific account - they re'usually helpful with written rulings for expats. Currency risk is definitely real, but the Netherlands strong' financial system gives you good options for managing EUR/USD exposure in your other investments. Overall, I ve'found the Dutch treatment to be much more straightforward than what others have described for other countries in this thread!
CyberSamurai
This is a really concerning situation, and I'm glad you're questioning it now. As others have mentioned, while legitimate depreciation add-backs are a real thing in mortgage underwriting, what your loan officer suggested crosses into fraud territory. The key issue is that you can ONLY claim business mileage for miles you actually drove for legitimate business purposes. If you amended your return to include fictional miles just to boost your mortgage-qualifying income, that's tax fraud regardless of how mortgage lenders might treat the depreciation component. I'd strongly recommend: 1. Consult with a CPA immediately about your amended return 2. If you claimed miles you didn't actually drive, file another amendment to correct it 3. Consider finding a new mortgage lender - one that doesn't suggest illegal tactics There are legitimate ways to present self-employment income favorably to lenders without breaking tax laws. A good mortgage broker should know the difference between proper income analysis and fraud. Your current loan officer has put both of you at risk with this advice. Better to delay your home purchase than face potential IRS penalties, mortgage fraud charges, or having to explain falsified tax documents later. The housing market will still be there when you get your finances properly sorted.
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Noah Ali
ā¢This is really solid advice. I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar self-employment income situation for my mortgage application. It's scary how many loan officers seem to suggest these borderline (or outright) fraudulent tactics. @Sean O'Donnell - please seriously consider getting a second opinion from a tax professional. Even if it delays your home purchase, it's not worth the legal risk. I've heard horror stories about people getting audited years later and having to explain questionable amendments they made during mortgage applications. Are there any specific red flags we should watch out for when choosing mortgage lenders that work legitimately with self-employed borrowers? It seems like there's a fine line between proper income analysis and what you're describing.
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Nia Watson
As someone who went through the self-employment mortgage process recently, I want to echo what others have said - this is definitely concerning territory. The legitimate practice of adding back depreciation exists, but your loan officer crossed a major line by telling you to amend your taxes with potentially fictitious business miles. Here's what I learned during my own process: legitimate lenders who work with self-employed borrowers will add back non-cash expenses like depreciation, but they do this based on what's ALREADY on your tax returns. They don't ask you to modify your returns to create these deductions. A few suggestions from my experience: 1. Find a mortgage broker who specializes in self-employed borrowers and ask them upfront about their income calculation methods 2. Get a consultation with a tax professional about your amended return situation 3. Look into asset-based lending or bank statement loan programs if your tax returns don't show enough income The red flags to watch for: any loan officer who suggests modifying tax documents, making deposits to inflate bank statements, or claiming expenses you didn't actually incur. Good mortgage professionals work with what you legitimately have, not what you can manufacture. It might delay your home purchase, but fixing this properly now will save you from much bigger problems down the road. The IRS doesn't mess around with amended returns that can't be substantiated.
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Emily Sanjay
ā¢This is really helpful information, thank you for sharing your experience! I'm completely new to the whole self-employment mortgage process and honestly had no idea there were so many potential pitfalls. Your point about legitimate lenders working with what you already have rather than asking you to manufacture documents really resonates. That should have been a huge red flag that I missed. Can you tell me more about those asset-based lending or bank statement loan programs you mentioned? I'm wondering if those might be a better route than trying to make my tax returns look better than they actually are. My business has good cash flow but my tax returns don't really reflect that due to all the legitimate deductions I take. Also, do you have any recommendations for finding mortgage brokers who actually specialize in self-employed borrowers? It seems like a lot of them claim they do but then don't really understand the nuances.
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