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This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm a new server (just started 3 weeks ago) and honestly had no clue about most of this stuff. My training basically covered how to use the POS system and that was it - nobody mentioned anything about tip reporting requirements or the IRS having specific enforcement programs for restaurants. Reading about the Social Security benefits impact really hit home. My mom has been collecting Social Security for a few years now, and she always talks about how those early working years when she didn't pay into the system properly affected her monthly payments. I definitely don't want to repeat that mistake. I'm going to start implementing the photo tracking method right away - seems like the most foolproof system for someone who's still getting used to the chaos of busy shifts. And the 25-30% savings rule makes total sense. I've been spending my cash tips pretty freely without thinking about tax implications. Quick question for those who've been through audits or know people who have - is there any particular tip percentage that's considered "safe" or normal for casual dining? I'm working at a family restaurant similar to OP's situation, and I want to make sure my reporting is realistic for the type of place it is. I'm averaging about 18-20% tips overall, but I want to make sure that aligns with what the IRS would expect for this kind of establishment. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - you've probably saved me from making some expensive mistakes!
@Mei-Ling Chen You re'smart to start tracking everything properly from day one! For casual/family dining, 18-20% is actually right in the sweet spot that the IRS expects. From what I ve'learned through this whole process, they typically use industry averages of 15-20% for most restaurant types, with casual dining falling right in that range. The key thing is consistency - if your restaurant s'credit card tips average around 18%, then reporting cash tips at a similar percentage looks completely normal. It s'when people report way below the establishment s'average like (claiming 8% tips when everyone else is at 18% that) red flags start going up. Since you re'just starting out, you re'in the perfect position to build good habits from the beginning. I wish I had started with proper tracking instead of having to course-correct later. The photo method really is foolproof - even on the craziest nights, it takes literally 10 seconds and you have undeniable proof of what you made. One tip: start that separate savings account for taxes immediately. Having that money physically separated makes it so much easier to not accidentally spend it, and you ll'thank yourself come tax season. You re'going to be way ahead of most servers who learn this stuff the hard way!
As someone who's been serving for 3 years and went through the "figuring out tip reporting" journey myself, I want to add a practical perspective to all the great advice here. The reality is that proper tip reporting isn't just about avoiding audits (though that's important) - it's about building a legitimate financial foundation. When I finally started reporting everything correctly, I was able to get approved for my first credit card, then eventually a car loan with a decent interest rate. My coworkers who were still underreporting were getting denied or paying crazy high rates because their "official" income looked too low. Here's my system that's worked perfectly for 2+ years: I keep a small notebook in my apron and jot down cash tips after each table (just "$12" or whatever). At the end of my shift, I add it up, take a photo of the cash with the total written on paper, then immediately put 30% in an envelope marked "TAXES" that I keep in my car. When I get home, I enter the amount in a simple phone app called TipTracker. The 30% might seem high, but it covers federal income tax, Social Security, Medicare, and usually a bit of state tax too. I'd rather over-save and get a small refund than scramble to find money I already spent when tax season comes around. To Madison (the OP) - start tracking everything now. Your future self will thank you when you're not stressed about audits and can actually qualify for loans and apartments based on your real income.
I went through this exact same confusion last year! The key thing to understand is that Line 8 on Form 2210 isn't always just your total tax from the previous year - it depends on which method you're using to calculate the penalty. If you're using the "prior year safe harbor" method (which sounds like your situation), then yes, Line 8 should generally be your total tax from Line 16 of your 2023 Form 1040. But here's the catch - if your 2023 adjusted gross income was over $150,000, you need to use 110% of that amount instead of 100%. Also, make sure you're looking at the right line on your 2023 return. Some people accidentally use their tax liability before credits instead of after credits, which can throw off the whole calculation. Since you mentioned you had 100% of your 2023 tax withheld in 2024, you should definitely qualify for the safe harbor rule and avoid the penalty entirely. Double-check that your withholding actually equals or exceeds the amount on Line 16 of your 2023 return (or 110% if your AGI was high enough). If it does, you shouldn't owe any underpayment penalty regardless of your 1099 income or capital gains timing.
This is really helpful! I think I was getting confused because TurboTax was automatically calculating something different. Just to make sure I understand - if my 2023 AGI was under $150k and I look at Line 16 of my 2023 Form 1040, that exact number should go on Line 8 of Form 2210, right? And then as long as my total withholding for 2024 equals or exceeds that Line 16 amount, I'm covered under safe harbor? I'm pretty sure my withholding was actually about 105% of my 2023 tax, so this should work out. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly!
Exactly right! If your 2023 AGI was under $150k, then the number from Line 16 of your 2023 Form 1040 goes directly onto Line 8 of Form 2210. And yes, since your withholding was 105% of your 2023 tax, you're definitely covered under the safe harbor rule. The reason TurboTax might be showing something different is that it could be trying to calculate using a different method or it might not be recognizing that you qualify for safe harbor. Sometimes the software defaults to calculating the actual penalty before checking if you're exempt. You might want to override TurboTax's calculation and manually complete Form 2210 using the safe harbor method, or look for a setting in the software that specifically asks about safe harbor qualification. Once you establish that your withholding met the 100% threshold, the penalty should disappear entirely.
I've been through this exact same frustrating situation! The confusion around Form 2210 Line 8 is so common because the instructions aren't as clear as they should be. Here's what I learned after dealing with a similar underpayment penalty issue: Line 8 wants your "prior year tax" but you need to be careful about which number you use. For most people, it IS the total tax from Line 16 of your 2023 Form 1040, but there are some important details: 1. If your 2023 AGI was over $150,000, you need to use 110% of that Line 16 amount 2. If your 2023 AGI was under $150,000, you use 100% of that Line 16 amount 3. Make sure you're looking at Line 16 AFTER all credits have been applied, not before Since you mentioned you had 100% of your 2023 tax withheld through payroll, you should absolutely qualify for the safe harbor rule. The key is making sure your total 2024 withholding equals or exceeds the amount that should go on Line 8. I'd suggest double-checking your 2023 return to confirm the exact Line 16 amount, then verify your 2024 withholding meets the threshold. If it does, you shouldn't owe any penalty regardless of when your 1099 income or capital gains were received during the year. Don't let TurboTax confuse you - sometimes the software calculates penalties before checking all the exemptions you might qualify for!
This is exactly the kind of clear breakdown I needed! I've been going in circles with this for days. Just to confirm my understanding - I should look at my 2023 Form 1040, find Line 16 (which shows my total tax after all credits), and since my 2023 AGI was around $85,000, I would use 100% of that Line 16 amount for Form 2210 Line 8, right? I just checked and my Line 16 from 2023 was $8,420. My total withholding for 2024 was actually $8,862, so that's about 105% of my 2023 tax. Based on what you're saying, this should completely eliminate the underpayment penalty under the safe harbor rule. I think TurboTax is just being overly cautious or not recognizing the safe harbor qualification automatically. I'm going to manually override it and complete Form 2210 myself using these numbers. Thank you so much for the step-by-step explanation - this makes way more sense now!
I'm wondering if there are any special considerations for recent immigrants when updating information with the IRS? I've heard that some notifications are really important not to miss, especially if you're still establishing your status. Does anyone know if there's a way to set up email notifications instead of just relying on physical mail?
As someone who's been through this process multiple times, I'd recommend starting with Form 8822 right away since you mentioned you recently moved. The 4-6 week processing time is pretty standard, but don't wait - mail forwarding with USPS typically only lasts 12 months for first-class mail, and some IRS correspondence may not be forwardable. For your bank account updates, you're right that this is separate from address changes. If you're expecting a refund this year, you can still update your direct deposit info through the "Where's My Refund" tool on irs.gov, but only if your return is still being processed. One thing I learned the hard way: keep copies of everything you submit to the IRS, including the certified mail receipt if you choose to send Form 8822 via certified mail. This gives you proof of when you submitted the change request, which can be helpful if there are any delays or issues later. Since you mentioned being newer to the US system, don't hesitate to call the IRS line at 800-829-1040 about a week after mailing your form to confirm they received it. The wait times can be long, but it's worth it for peace of mind!
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm curious about the certified mail option you mentioned - is that necessary, or would regular mail work fine for Form 8822? I'm trying to balance cost with making sure it gets there safely. Also, when you say "keep copies of everything," do you mean I should make photocopies before mailing, or is there some other documentation I should be maintaining?
I've been through almost the exact same situation! The IRS took about $1,200 from my expected refund last year with similar codes, and I was completely panicked at first. Here's what I learned: those transcript codes are actually pretty straightforward once you understand them. The 826 code means they applied your 2023 refund to pay a debt from 2021, and the numbers at the end (202112) refer to the tax period - so December 2021 processing cycle. The most common reasons this happens are: 1. Unreported income from 2021 (1099s, W2s, or side gig income) 2. Math errors on your original 2021 return 3. Forgotten retirement account withdrawals or distributions 4. Claimed credits you weren't eligible for Since you mentioned having a side gig, my guess is either you underreported some 1099 income from 2021, or you didn't pay enough estimated taxes that year and penalties/interest accumulated. Don't panic though - you have options! You can request a payment trace to see exactly what the debt was for, and if there was an error on the IRS's part, you can dispute it. Sometimes they make mistakes too. The key is getting your full account transcript for 2021 to see what triggered the balance. You can download it instantly from the IRS website if you can verify your identity online.
This is really helpful information! As someone new to dealing with tax issues, I'm wondering - when you say "request a payment trace," how exactly do you do that? Is that something you can do online or do you have to call the IRS? And how long does it typically take to get the information back? I'm dealing with something similar and want to make sure I understand all my options before taking any action.
To request a payment trace, you have a few options. The easiest way is to call the IRS directly at 1-800-829-1040 and ask for a "payment trace" or "account research" for the specific tax year (2021 in this case). You'll need to provide your SSN and verify your identity. You can also write a letter to the IRS requesting the information, but calling is much faster. When you call, specifically ask them to explain what adjustments were made to your 2021 return that resulted in the balance due. The process typically takes 2-4 weeks if done by phone, or 6-8 weeks if you submit a written request. However, sometimes the representative can give you basic information right away during the call if they can access your account. Another option is to request Form 4506-T (transcript request) specifically for your "Account Transcript" for 2021, which will show all the transaction codes and adjustments made to your account. This gives you the most detailed view of what happened and when. If you discover the IRS made an error, you can then file Form 843 (Claim for Refund) to get your money back. Just make sure to keep detailed records of everything!
I've been helping people navigate IRS transcript codes for years, and your situation is actually more common than you might think. The 826 and 706 codes you're seeing are standard offset procedures - basically the IRS found a discrepancy in your 2021 return and applied your 2023 refund to cover it. Given that you mentioned having a side gig and cashing out a 401k in 2021, here's what likely happened: The IRS received documentation (like a 1099-R for your retirement withdrawal or a corrected 1099-MISC from a client) that didn't match what you reported. They then made an adjustment to your 2021 account, creating a balance due with penalties and interest. The good news is this isn't necessarily permanent. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. Get your complete 2021 account transcript online - look for transaction codes 290, 300, or any 30X series that show adjustments 2. Compare that against your original 2021 return to identify the discrepancy 3. If you find the IRS made an error, file Form 843 to claim a refund 4. If the adjustment is correct but you qualify for penalty relief (first-time penalty abatement, reasonable cause, etc.), you can still recover some money Don't give up - I've seen people successfully challenge these offsets when they had valid reasons or when the IRS made computational errors.
Omar Hassan
One aspect that hasn't been covered yet is the potential Section 751 "hot assets" issue. Even though your LLC elects S-Corp taxation, you're still technically selling an LLC interest, which means you need to consider whether the LLC holds any "hot assets" like accounts receivable, inventory, or depreciation recapture. If the LLC has significant receivables or depreciated equipment, part of your gain might be taxed as ordinary income rather than capital gains. This is different from selling actual S-Corp stock, where the entire gain would typically be capital gains. Your accountant should run a Section 751 analysis to determine if any portion of the sale proceeds should be allocated to these hot assets. This could significantly impact your tax liability since ordinary income rates are generally higher than capital gains rates. Also, make sure to coordinate the timing with any final K-1 allocations. If you close the sale mid-year, you'll receive a final K-1 showing your share of profits/losses through the sale date, which will affect your basis calculation for determining the actual gain on sale.
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Nia Watson
ā¢This is exactly the kind of detail I was hoping to learn about before meeting with my accountant! The Section 751 analysis sounds crucial - our LLC does have some equipment that's been depreciated over the years, plus we typically have outstanding receivables at any given time. I hadn't realized that selling an LLC interest could be treated differently than selling S-Corp stock from a tax perspective, even when the LLC elects S-Corp taxation. This could definitely change my expected tax liability if part of the gain gets hit with ordinary income rates instead of capital gains. The timing coordination with the final K-1 is a great point too. If I close mid-year, I assume my partner would then receive 100% allocation for the remainder of the year on their K-1? And I'd need to make sure my basis calculation includes everything through the actual sale date, not just through the end of the prior year. Thanks for bringing up these complexities - this gives me much better questions to ask my accountant next week!
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Sean Doyle
One thing to add that could save you significant headaches - make sure you and your partner are aligned on the purchase price methodology before you get too far into the process. I've seen partnerships fall apart during buyouts because one person expected a valuation based on book value while the other expected fair market value. Since you mentioned meeting with an accountant, I'd suggest having that conversation with your partner present (or at least having a separate meeting with them) to discuss valuation methodology, payment structure, and how you'll handle any working capital adjustments or outstanding liabilities. Also, don't forget about any personal guarantees you might have on business loans or leases. Your partner will likely need to either assume those guarantees or help you get released from them as part of the buyout. This isn't directly a tax issue, but it can complicate the transaction and affect the final purchase price negotiations. The good news is that with proper planning and documentation, LLC member buyouts are pretty straightforward from a tax perspective - it's just important to get all the details right upfront rather than trying to fix issues later.
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Dylan Wright
ā¢This is really solid advice about getting aligned on valuation methodology upfront. I've seen too many business relationships sour when partners discover they had completely different expectations about what their ownership was worth. The personal guarantee issue is huge and often overlooked. I went through this when selling my share of a logistics company - had personal guarantees on three different loans plus our office lease. The bank required my partner to qualify independently and provide new guarantees before they'd release me, which took almost two months longer than expected and nearly killed the deal. One more thing to consider - if you have any customer contracts or vendor agreements that specifically reference both partners, you might need to amend those as part of the transition. Some contracts have change-of-control clauses that could be triggered by a 50% ownership transfer. Not a tax issue, but definitely something that could affect the business value and should be addressed before finalizing the sale price. @Sean Doyle is absolutely right that proper planning makes this much smoother. Getting everything documented clearly from the start saves everyone time, money, and stress later.
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