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Worked at H&R Block for 7 years. One trick I've seen people use is to look at Schedule A (Itemized Deductions) instructions. It specifically mentions that you can deduct contributions to "A religious organization (church, synagogue, etc.)" without saying they have to be US-based. Some people deduct tithes to foreign religious organizations based on this language. Not sure if that helps with ICRC but thought I'd mention it.
I can add some clarity here from a tax preparer's perspective. The ICRC is actually one of the few foreign organizations that IS deductible for US taxpayers, but the confusion comes from their unique status. They're what's called a "Friends of" organization - they have legitimate US operations through the ICRC Washington Delegation office, which allows them to qualify for deductible donations despite being headquartered in Switzerland. This is different from most foreign charities that don't qualify. The key is that your donation needs to go to their US operations (which it does when you donate through their main website). The outdated 2014 information you found was from before they established their current US status. For future reference, Publication 526 has the official rules, but honestly for international donations, it's worth getting confirmation directly from the organization or the IRS rather than trying to interpret the complex rules yourself. The $350 donation to ICRC should be deductible on your Schedule A.
This is really helpful clarification! I've been wondering about this exact issue with several international donations I made last year. When you mention that donations need to go through their US operations - how can you tell if you're donating to the US branch versus the international one? I donated through what I thought was their main website, but now I'm wondering if I accidentally donated to their Swiss operations instead. Is there usually a clear distinction on the donation page, or do most major international organizations automatically route US donations through their domestic operations?
Your friend is definitely in a good position to claim those stimulus payments! I went through this exact process with my neighbor last year. One thing I'd add is to make sure they gather any W-2s or 1099s from 2021, even if they think their income was too low to require filing. The IRS sometimes has these on file already, and if there's a mismatch, it can delay processing significantly. Also, if they're expecting a large refund from multiple stimulus payments, consider having them set up direct deposit - paper checks for these late-filed returns can take even longer to arrive. The whole process took about 5 months for my neighbor, but she ended up getting over $3,000 in missed payments, so it was definitely worth the wait!
This is really helpful information! I'm curious about the direct deposit setup - if your friend's neighbor had never filed before, how did she set that up with the IRS? Did she just include her bank account info on the 2021 return itself, or was there a separate process? Also, when you mention gathering W-2s and 1099s from 2021, what if employers from that time period are no longer in business or the person has lost contact with them? Is there a way to request those documents directly from the IRS, or would that create additional delays in the process?
I'd definitely recommend starting this process soon! I work at a local tax prep office and we see this situation all the time. Your friend should gather their Social Security card, photo ID, and any income documents from 2021 (even if minimal). One thing people often overlook - if they received any unemployment benefits in 2021, there were special tax breaks for that too, so they might be eligible for additional refunds beyond just the stimulus payments. The IRS tends to be more thorough with first-time filers, so having complete documentation upfront will save headaches later. Also, make sure they keep copies of everything they mail since paper returns can sometimes get lost in processing. Good luck helping them navigate this - it's really great that you're stepping up to help someone get the money they're entitled to!
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice that makes all the difference! I'm actually in a similar boat - never filed before and just learning about these missed opportunities. Quick question about the unemployment benefits you mentioned - is that something that would automatically show up when filing the 2021 return, or do they need to specifically look for those tax breaks? I received unemployment for a few months in 2021 but honestly had no idea there were special provisions. Also, when you say the IRS is more thorough with first-time filers, does that typically mean longer processing times or just more documentation requests? Thanks for sharing your professional insights - it's so helpful to get perspective from someone who sees these cases regularly!
Just a quick warning based on my experience with amended returns - make sure you're checking the "Where's My Amended Return" tool regularly. I waited 8 months assuming they were processing my amendment, only to discover they never received it! Apparently it got lost in the mail and I had to resubmit everything. If you don't see your amendment showing up in their system after about 3 weeks, I'd recommend calling to confirm they received it or sending a follow-up copy via certified mail. Better to be paranoid than to find out months later they never got it and you're accruing more interest and penalties!
Great advice from everyone here! I went through a similar situation last year with a filing status error (filed Married Filing Separately when I should have filed Married Filing Jointly). A few additional tips from my experience: 1. Document everything - I kept copies of all correspondence, payment confirmations, and dates. This was crucial when I had to call the IRS later. 2. Consider setting up an online account with the IRS if you haven't already. It makes tracking your amended returns much easier than relying solely on the "Where's My Amended Return" tool. 3. When you do make that payment (which I'd recommend doing sooner rather than later), make sure to include a clear memo indicating which tax years the payment is for. I initially made a payment without specifying and it got applied to the wrong year, creating more confusion. The good news is that the IRS is generally reasonable when you voluntarily correct mistakes. In my case, they waived the accuracy-related penalty entirely since I caught and corrected the error myself. The interest was unavoidable, but stopping it from accruing further by paying early saved me several hundred dollars. Hang in there - the process is slow but you're handling it the right way!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the online IRS account you mentioned - does it show more detailed information than the "Where's My Amended Return" tool? I've been checking that tool weekly but it just shows "processing" without any real timeline or details about what stage they're at. Also, when you say you made a payment without specifying the tax year and it got applied wrong, how long did it take to get that straightened out with the IRS?
I think the IRS intentionally makes these forms confusing lol. Has anyone had their Form 8802 rejected? How long did it take to get a response? I'm supposed to start a position in Korea in 6 weeks and I'm worried about timing.
Mine took exactly 4 weeks from submission to receiving the certificate. My friend who applied around the same time but had some discrepancies between his application and tax returns had his rejected after about 3 weeks, then had to resubmit with corrections. The IRS is actually fairly quick with these compared to other services. If you're in a real rush, there's an expedited process, but you need to provide proof of urgency (like a letter from your employer with a deadline).
I went through this exact same nightmare with Form 8802 about 6 months ago! For line 4a when you check "Individual," you literally just need to write your full name exactly as it appears on your most recent tax return - nothing more, nothing less. Don't add your SSN, don't add extra info, just your name. Since you're working for a Singapore company, make sure you're also including copies of your most recently filed 1040 and any relevant schedules (like Schedule C if you have any self-employment income). The IRS uses this to verify your U.S. tax residency status for the foreign tax authority. One tip that saved me - call the IRS practitioner priority line if you get stuck. The regular customer service line is useless, but the practitioner line (even though you're not technically a practitioner) sometimes gets you through to someone who actually knows about international forms. Good luck with your deadline!
This is super helpful! I had no idea there was a practitioner priority line. Do you happen to know the number for that line? I've been trying the regular customer service number and like you said, it's been completely useless. Also, when you say "exactly as it appears on your tax return" - does that include middle initials if that's how you filed, or just first and last name?
The practitioner priority line is 866-860-4259, but heads up - they might ask if you're an enrolled agent or CPA. I just said I was calling on behalf of a client (which is technically true since you're your own client, right?). For the name on line 4a, include everything exactly as it appears - so if you filed with your middle initial, include it. If you used your full middle name, use that. The IRS computer system matches character by character, so "John A. Smith" is different from "John Smith" to them. I learned this the hard way when my first application got delayed because I abbreviated my middle name differently than on my 1040. Also make sure you're looking at the "name" field on line 1 of your 1040, not the signature line - sometimes people sign differently than they fill out the form.
Margot Quinn
One additional factor to consider is quarterly estimated taxes. As a sole proprietor, you're already dealing with quarterly payments, but the calculation becomes more complex with an S Corp because you'll need to account for both payroll taxes on your salary and estimated taxes on distributions. With an LLC (taxed as sole proprietorship), you continue making quarterly payments on your full profit. With an S Corp, your salary portion gets regular payroll tax withholding, but you still need to make quarterly payments on the distribution portion. This can actually help with cash flow management since the payroll withholding spreads out some of your tax burden throughout the year rather than having it all hit quarterly. But it does mean more complexity in calculating what you owe each quarter. Also worth noting - if you do elect S Corp status, make sure you start payroll from day one of the election. I've seen people get in trouble trying to back-calculate reasonable salary after the fact. The IRS expects regular, ongoing payroll if you're claiming S Corp tax treatment. At your income level, I'd echo others saying LLC now with potential S Corp election later, but definitely get that liability protection in place sooner rather than later!
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Liam McConnell
ā¢This is really helpful context on the quarterly tax implications! I hadn't thought about how the payroll withholding could actually help with cash flow by spreading the tax burden more evenly throughout the year. That's definitely a nice side benefit of S Corp election. Your point about starting payroll from day one is crucial - I can see how trying to retroactively determine "reasonable salary" would create problems with the IRS. Better to get it right from the start rather than have to explain later why you weren't taking salary for part of the year. Given all the great advice in this thread, I'm feeling more confident about starting with an LLC for the liability protection and keeping the option open for S Corp election once my income grows and stabilizes above that $60-75k range where the tax savings really start to matter.
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Axel Bourke
This has been an incredibly informative thread! As someone who's been procrastinating on this decision for my own consulting business, reading everyone's real experiences has been super valuable. A few key takeaways I'm getting: 1. Start with LLC for liability protection regardless of income level 2. S Corp election makes sense around $60-75k+ in profit when tax savings outweigh complexity costs 3. State-specific rules can significantly impact the math 4. Proper record-keeping and business formalities are crucial for liability protection One question I haven't seen addressed: if you elect S Corp status, how flexible are you with adjusting your salary year to year based on business performance? For example, if I have a great year and want to minimize SE taxes by taking a smaller salary and larger distributions, vs a slower year where I might want more salary for better loan qualification purposes? Also wondering about the timing - if someone decides to make the S Corp election, is it better to do it at the beginning of their tax year, or can you elect mid-year and just prorate everything? Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical guidance you can't get from generic tax articles!
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Sean Doyle
ā¢Great questions! On salary flexibility with S Corp election - you do have some room to adjust year to year, but the IRS expects consistency in how you determine "reasonable salary." You can't just arbitrarily slash your salary in good years to minimize SE taxes. The salary needs to reflect fair compensation for the work you actually perform, typically based on industry standards for similar roles. That said, there is legitimate flexibility - if your business has a down year and you're working fewer hours or taking on less responsibility, a proportionally lower salary can be justified. For loan qualification purposes, remember that lenders often look at total business income (salary + distributions), not just W-2 wages, especially for self-employed borrowers. On timing - you generally need to make the S Corp election (Form 2553) within 2 months and 15 days of the beginning of the tax year you want it to take effect. So for 2025, the deadline would be March 15th. You can't elect mid-year and prorate - it's an all-or-nothing election that applies to the entire tax year. However, if you miss the deadline, there are sometimes late election relief procedures available, but they require showing reasonable cause and can be complicated. Much better to plan ahead and file by the deadline if you're going that route!
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