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Gael Robinson

If I don't qualify for FMLA can I get California EDD unemployment benefits?

So I'm in a weird situation and honestly not sure where to turn. I was working at a small retail company for about 14 months when I had to take time off for a serious medical issue. The thing is, my employer only has around 40 employees so they don't fall under FMLA coverage requirements. I asked HR about taking protected leave and they basically told me I was on my own since the company isn't required to hold my position. Long story short, I took the time off anyway because I had no choice medically, and when I came back they said my position had been filled and they didn't have anything else for me. So now I'm out of a job through no real fault of my own. My question is - if I don't qualify for FMLA can I get unemployment through California EDD? I worked enough hours and made enough money I think, but I'm worried my claim will get flagged because it looks like I voluntarily left or something. Has anyone dealt with this kind of situation before?

This actually comes up more than people realize. The short answer is yes, you CAN potentially qualify for California EDD unemployment even if FMLA didn't apply to your situation. The key thing EDD looks at is whether you were separated from your job involuntarily or if there was a good cause reason. What you're describing - taking medical leave, employer filling your position, then being told there's nothing for you when you return - that reads more like a constructive discharge or layoff situation than a voluntary quit. When you file your claim make sure you select that you were laid off or that your position was eliminated, NOT that you quit. The distinction matters enormously for how your claim gets processed.

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Thank you, this is really helpful. I was genuinely unsure whether to mark it as laid off or quit because technically I did leave to take leave... but you're right that they eliminated my position while I was gone which doesn't feel like something I chose.

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This is solid advice. I'd also add that California has the CFRA which covers employers with 5 or more employees for leave purposes, though it sounds like OP may have already been separated by now. But definitely worth knowing for the future that California protections often go further than federal FMLA.

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Wait CFRA covers employers with 5+ employees? I had no idea about that. I wonder if that changes anything about my situation even now.

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yeah this happened to my cousin something similar. she took medical leave, small company, came back and her job was gone. she filed for unemployment and it went to adjudication for a few weeks but eventually got approved. the main thing is how you explain the separation when you file

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How long did the adjudication take for her? I'm nervous about a long delay, I have rent coming up pretty quick.

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i think it was like 3 weeks? she was stressed the whole time but it did come through

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I went through something similar last year - took leave for a health thing, employer at a small company claimed they couldn't hold my role. When I filed with California EDD my claim got flagged immediately and went into adjudication because my employer reported the separation as a voluntary quit. It was a nightmare trying to get anyone on the phone to explain my side of the story. After about two weeks of failed call attempts I found out about a service called Claimyr at claimyr.com - they basically help you get through to an actual California EDD phone agent instead of sitting on hold for hours. There's even a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10 - I was skeptical at first but I got connected to an agent who let me explain the circumstances of my separation and my claim eventually got approved. If your claim goes into adjudication I'd seriously recommend checking it out because getting through to EDD on your own right now is really tough.

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Okay this is really good to know. So the employer can just report it as a voluntary quit even when it wasn't? That seems like it could really mess things up for people.

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Unfortunately yes, employers sometimes report separations in ways that benefit them. EDD is supposed to investigate both sides but having an agent who understands your full situation definitely helps move things along faster.

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I used Claimyr too when my claim was stuck. The call back was way faster than I expected honestly.

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Few things to know about California EDD eligibility when medical leave is involved: 1. You need to meet the base period earnings requirements - roughly $1,300 in your highest quarter or $900 in highest quarter plus total base period wages of 1.25x that amount 2. You need to be able and available for work NOW - this is important, if you're still medically unable to work you may not qualify for UI 3. If you're still unable to work due to medical reasons, California State Disability Insurance (SDI) might actually be a better fit than UI 4. The reason for separation matters a lot Can I ask - are you currently able to work? That changes the advice significantly.

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Yes I'm fully recovered and able to work now, the medical issue has been resolved. I just couldn't work back THEN when I needed the leave.

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Good, that's the key factor. Since you're able and available now and your separation was essentially involuntary (employer eliminated your position), you have a solid case for California EDD unemployment. File the claim and be very detailed and honest in describing why you're no longer employed.

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this is a good point about SDI vs UI. lots of people dont realize those are separate programs with different eligibility rules

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THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO GET DENIED BECAUSE THEY DESCRIBE THEIR SEPARATION WRONG IS INSANE. i cannot stress this enough - do NOT say you quit, do NOT say you took leave voluntarily if the end result was that they took your job. You were effectively terminated because you couldn't come back to a position that no longer existed. That is NOT a quit in California EDD's eyes if you document it correctly.

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This is making me realize I need to be really careful about how I phrase everything when I file. Is there somewhere specific I describe the separation or is it just checkboxes?

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There are checkboxes AND a text box where you explain what happened. USE THE TEXT BOX. Write out exactly what happened - you took medical leave, employer said your position was filled when you were ready to return, they had no other position available for you. Every detail matters.

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agreed, the text box explanation is where so many people make mistakes. keep it factual and don't editorialize or complain about the employer just stick to the facts of what happened

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Not to hijack this thread but this actually reminds me of my own situation from a few months back - I had a totally different reason for separation but also wasn't sure if I qualified and was so scared to even file because I thought I'd just get denied automatically. Turned out California EDD adjudication isn't automatic denial, it's just a review period. For anyone else reading this who is on the fence about filing - just file. The worst they can do is deny you and you can appeal.

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That's actually really encouraging to hear. I've been putting off filing because I was so sure I'd just get denied.

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Don't wait! There's also a waiting week requirement in California so every week you delay filing is a week you might not get paid for later.

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ok so i might be confused but isn't there a difference between being fired and quitting and like a third category? because what op is describing doesn't sound exactly like either one to me. like they left voluntarily for medical reasons but then couldn't get their job back

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You're actually right - California EDD does recognize nuanced separation types. There's a category called 'quit with good cause' which can include situations where someone left due to medical necessity. However in OP's case since the employer filled the position and told them there was no job to come back to, it leans more toward constructive discharge or involuntary separation, which is actually a stronger position for UI eligibility.

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oh interesting so the employer kind of made it into a fireable situation by not holding the job? that's wild

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Exactly. California has stronger worker protections than most states. CFRA, as I mentioned earlier, actually requires employers with 5+ employees to provide leave in many situations. If OP's employer violated CFRA that could actually strengthen the UI claim.

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I just want to say I was in almost this exact situation two years ago and I did get approved for California EDD unemployment. The adjudication period was stressful but my claim was approved because the facts clearly showed my employer eliminated my position while I was on leave. Document everything - any emails, texts, or written communication from your employer about why you couldn't return to your job. That documentation was huge for me.

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Did you have to submit documentation proactively or did EDD request it?

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EDD sent me a questionnaire asking about the details of my separation. I answered it very thoroughly and attached emails from my employer confirming they had filled my position. I think the written evidence made the difference.

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Okay I'm going to dig up all the communications I have from HR. I'm glad I kept those emails.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - when your employer gets EDD's notice that you filed, they'll be asked to provide their version of events too. If they report it as a voluntary quit or job abandonment, EDD will weigh both sides. This is exactly why having a real conversation with an EDD agent can be so valuable. I had a disputed separation situation and spent two weeks trying to call EDD before I found Claimyr - claimyr.com - which finally got me through to someone. The agent I spoke with walked me through exactly what documentation to gather and how to respond to EDD's questionnaire. Check out https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10 if you want to see how it works before trying it.

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So if my employer says I quit and I say I was effectively laid off, EDD has to figure out who's right? That's kind of nerve wracking.

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Yes but the process is designed for exactly this. EDD will look at the facts - and the fact that your position was filled and they told you there was nothing for you is pretty hard for an employer to spin as a voluntary quit on your part.

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I was skeptical about Claimyr at first too but when I literally could not get through to EDD for 10 days straight I gave it a shot and it worked. Definitely useful when you have a complicated separation situation.

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wait does california edd even cover people who took medical leave?? i thought you had to be like laid off from downsizing or something to get unemployment

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That's a really common misconception. California EDD covers any involuntary separation as well as voluntary quits that had 'good cause' - including medical necessity in many cases. It's not limited to layoffs from downsizing.

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oh wow i did not know that. i probably qualified for unemployment a few years ago and never even filed because i assumed i didn't qualify

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Unfortunately a lot of people don't file because they assume they won't qualify. Always worth filing and letting EDD make the determination rather than self-selecting out.

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For your specific situation OP here's the process I'd recommend: Step 1: File your claim online at UI Online as soon as possible - delays cost you money Step 2: In the separation explanation, describe it as position elimination / no work available upon return from medical leave Step 3: Save ALL written communication from employer - emails, texts, offer of different position (or lack thereof) Step 4: When EDD sends a questionnaire (DE 1080) answer every single question thoroughly Step 5: If your claim goes to adjudication, stay on top of your weekly certifications and continue filing them even while waiting The biggest mistakes people make are either not filing at all or stopping their weekly certifications during adjudication. Both can cost you benefits you were owed.

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This is an incredibly helpful step by step, thank you. I didn't know I was supposed to keep filing weekly certifications even during adjudication.

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Yes! This is huge. The weekly certifications are how EDD tracks your eligibility week by week. If you don't file them you can lose those weeks of benefits permanently even if your claim ultimately gets approved.

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the DE 1080 questionnaire is so important and most people just write one sentence answers. write paragraphs if you need to, be thorough

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Something I want to add - the 'able and available' requirement someone mentioned earlier is really key and can trip people up. When you do your weekly certifications California EDD asks if you were able to work and available for work each week you're certifying for. Since you mentioned you're now fully recovered, answer yes to those questions honestly. If there were specific weeks where you genuinely weren't able to work you should answer accordingly even if it means you don't get benefits for those particular weeks.

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Got it, so honesty is the best policy even if it means not getting paid for some weeks?

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Absolutely. Misrepresenting your ability to work to EDD can result in overpayment notices and penalties later. Not worth it. And honestly if you're currently able and available, you're fine going forward.

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I made the mistake early on of not fully understanding the able and available question and it caused me headaches later. Be honest every single time.

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Also worth knowing - California's CFRA (California Family Rights Act) actually has broader coverage than FMLA and covers employers with as few as 5 employees. Given that your employer had ~40 employees, you may have actually been entitled to protected leave under CFRA even if not FMLA. This doesn't necessarily change your unemployment claim but it might actually mean your employer violated state law by filling your position. Might be worth a consultation with an employment attorney - many do free consultations. If your employer violated CFRA that could also strengthen any wrongful termination claim separate from UI.

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I had no idea CFRA covered smaller employers. I wonder if my HR department even knew this or if they just assumed FMLA rules applied.

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A lot of smaller employers aren't well versed in CFRA vs FMLA differences. Doesn't make what happened to you okay but it's fairly common. Either way it doesn't change that you should file for UI now.

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This is really important info. The California Labor Commissioner's office is also a resource if you believe your employer violated your CFRA rights.

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honestly the whole thing sounds really stressful and I'm sorry you're going through it. I will say from my own experience that once you get through to an actual EDD agent things feel much less scary because you can actually explain your situation to a human instead of just hoping your written explanation is enough. The phone lines are brutal though. I ended up using Claimyr after three days of busy signals and hold disconnects, got through to someone within a couple hours and they were actually helpful. Site is claimyr.com - figured I'd mention it again since this kind of complicated claim is exactly when having a real conversation with EDD makes a difference.

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Three days of busy signals sounds like a nightmare. I'm going to keep that in mind if I hit a wall trying to get through to EDD.

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Yeah I was genuinely shocked at how hard it was to get through. The callback service was honestly a relief after all that.

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just to close the loop on the original question - yes you can get unemployment even without FMLA protection. FMLA is about job protection during leave. UI is about income support after a job loss. They're completely separate programs with separate eligibility rules. Not qualifying for one has zero automatic effect on whether you qualify for the other.

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This is the clearest explanation of the distinction I've seen in this whole thread. Thank you for simplifying it.

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Happy to help. File your claim, be honest and thorough in your explanations, and don't let the initial waiting period stress you out too much. These things take time but the system does eventually work.

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yep this is exactly right. two totally different programs. file the unemployment claim and see what happens, worst case you appeal if denied

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One last practical tip - after you file online, download or screenshot your confirmation number and every communication EDD sends you. Keep a folder. I cannot tell you how many times having that paper trail helped me when I had questions about my claim status or needed to reference something during a call with EDD. Being organized when dealing with California EDD makes everything easier.

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Good idea. I'm going to start a dedicated folder right now before I even file. Thank you for all the help everyone, I feel so much more confident about this than I did when I posted.

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Good luck! Come back and update us when you get a decision. And remember - if it goes to adjudication that's not a denial, it's just a review. Most people who have genuine involuntary separations do get approved eventually.

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Rooting for you OP. Your situation sounds like a pretty clear case once EDD reviews the full picture. File soon and keep those weekly certifications going no matter what.

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