EDD second level appeal after overpayment denial - anyone win after refusing job offer?
Just had my first level appeal hearing last week for a $4,200 overpayment determination, and got the letter today saying the judge ruled against me. EDD says I refused suitable work back in August 2022 but didn't report it on my certifications. The thing is, the job offer was for night shifts that would've made it impossible for me to care for my elderly mother (I'm her only caretaker), and the pay was about 30% less than my previous position. I thought I had valid reasons but apparently not. Has anyone gone through the second level appeal process with the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board? What are my chances of winning at this stage if the judge already sided with EDD? I'm freaking out about paying back this money, especially since I used it all for rent and bills during a really tough time.
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Abigail Spencer
I went through a second level appeal 2 months ago for a different issue (they said I didn't provide enough work search activities). It's actually pretty straightforward - you just fill out another appeal form and check the box for second level appeal. You don't go to another hearing. The board just reviews the record from your first hearing and decides if the judge made any errors. My advice is to make VERY specific arguments about why the judge's decision was legally wrong. In my case, I lost again because I was just repeating the same arguments from the first appeal.
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Anita George
•Thanks for the explanation. Did you have to submit any new evidence for your second appeal or just arguments about why the judge was wrong? And how long did it take to get a decision?
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Logan Chiang
u screwed up by not mentioning the caregiving responsibility during ur certifications. they always ask if u refused work & u shouldve said YES and explained why. thats the whole point of that question!!
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Anita George
•You're right, and that's what the judge pointed out too. I honestly thought the question was asking if I turned down a formal written job offer, not an informal discussion about potential employment. Lesson learned the hard way.
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Isla Fischer
If you refused work due to caregiver responsibilities, you might actually have a case for the second level appeal. The California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board reviews whether the Administrative Law Judge correctly applied the law. Here's what you need to do: 1. File your appeal within 30 days of receiving the ALJ decision 2. Specifically cite section 1253(c) of the California Unemployment Insurance Code about suitable work 3. Emphasize that the work was unsuitable due to care responsibilities, which is a valid reason under CA law 4. Include any documentation showing you're the primary caregiver I went through this process last year and won my appeal because the board determined the ALJ didn't properly consider all factors of suitable work. The catch is that this process takes 3-6 months for a decision.
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Anita George
•This is extremely helpful! I didn't know about the specific code section. I definitely have documentation proving I'm her caregiver (medical POA and doctor's notes). I'll make sure to include those and specifically reference that code section.
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Miles Hammonds
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Anita George
•I hadn't heard of this service before. If my second appeal fails, I'll definitely need to set up a payment plan. Did they ask for your financial information to determine the monthly payment amount?
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Ruby Blake
The whole "suitable work" thing is SO subjective!!! I got denied for refusing a job that was 2 hours commute each way. Like, are you kidding me??? EDD thinks that's "suitable"? The system is completely broken and designed to make people fail. Good luck with your appeal but don't get your hopes up.
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Micah Franklin
•Actually, a 2-hour commute should have been considered unsuitable work under EDD guidelines. The standard is typically that anything over 1-1.5 hours each way (depending on your industry) can be considered unsuitable. Did you specifically cite the commute time in your appeal arguments? You might have had grounds to win that case.
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Ella Harper
Make sure you dont miss the deadline for the second level appeal!! Its 30 days from when you get the judges decision and they are SUPER strict about it. I filed mine one day late and they wouldnt even look at my case just rejected it automatically
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Anita George
•Thank you for the warning! The letter came today and I'm going to file the appeal first thing tomorrow morning. Not taking any chances with that deadline.
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Micah Franklin
For your second level appeal, you need to focus on legal errors, not just disagreeing with the outcome. Review the transcript from your hearing and look for: 1. Did the judge misinterpret any laws about suitable work? 2. Did they fail to consider evidence you presented about your caregiver status? 3. Were there procedural errors during your hearing? The second level appeals board won't rehear your case - they only review the record to determine if the judge made errors. The caregiving responsibility is key here, as that can make otherwise suitable work unsuitable under California code. Make sure you specifically argue that night shifts are incompatible with being a sole caregiver, which makes the work unsuitable under UI Code Section 1253(c).
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Anita George
•This makes a lot of sense. I just reviewed my hearing transcript, and I noticed the judge barely acknowledged my caregiving duties in his decision. He mostly focused on the wage difference, which he said wasn't enough to make the work unsuitable. I think I have a legitimate argument that he didn't properly apply the law regarding caregiving responsibilities.
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PrinceJoe
hey not to be a downer but i went thru all appeals and lost. ended up getting hit with a $5100 overpayment plus 30% penalty for "willful misrepresentation" bringing total to almost $7000!!! if you really can't pay they do have a waiver program but u have to basically prove extreme hardship. good luck
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Logan Chiang
•the 30% penalty is only if they decide u lied on purpose. if it was an honest mistake u shouldnt get that part added on. did u appeal the penalty part?
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Isla Fischer
One important thing to remember: Even if you lose your second level appeal, you still have options. You can request an Overpayment Waiver if repayment would cause extraordinary hardship and your overpayment wasn't due to fraud. There's a specific form for this (DE 1446W). Many people don't know about this option.
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Anita George
•Thank you for mentioning this! I'll keep that form in mind as a last resort. Though I'm really hoping to win the appeal since the judge's ruling didn't properly consider my caregiving situation.
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