EDD denied my husband's claim for summer break at university - appeal options?
My husband has been working as a teaching assistant at State University for the past 2 years. When summer break started in June, he filed for unemployment since the university doesn't offer any summer positions for his department. Yesterday, we got a notice from EDD saying his claim was denied because he has "reasonable assurance of employment" when fall semester starts in September. This makes no sense to me! We still have bills to pay for July and August - rent alone is $2,300! How are we supposed to make it through the next 6-7 weeks with zero income? Has anyone else who works in education dealt with this? Can we appeal this decision? If so, what should we include in the appeal to have the best chance of getting it approved? We're getting desperate here.
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StarStrider
This is a common issue for education employees. Unfortunately, EDD generally denies benefits during scheduled breaks if you have a reasonable assurance of returning to work afterward. This is specifically mentioned in their education employee guidelines. However, you CAN appeal this decision, especially if there are any special circumstances. When you appeal, you'll need to explain why your husband's situation might be different from the standard "reasonable assurance" rule. Some possible angles: 1. If his fall position isn't guaranteed in writing 2. If his hours/pay will be significantly reduced compared to last semester 3. If there are any specific terms in his employment contract that might help your case File the appeal within 30 days of receiving the determination notice. Make sure to include his EDD Customer Account Number and any supporting documentation.
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Ethan Clark
•Thank you for this information! His fall contract actually hasn't been signed yet - they just told him verbally that they'd have classes for him. Would that count as not having a guarantee in writing? Also, should we mention that his summer classes were cancelled due to low enrollment (which is why he's not working now), or would that hurt our case?
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Yuki Sato
omg dealing with same thing right now!!! my wife teaches elementry school and they always deny her summer claims. its such bs because the school district dosnt pay her during summer but EDD says she cant get benefets either?? like what are we supposed to do just not eat for 2 months??
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Carmen Ruiz
•I feel your frustration! The system is really unfair to education workers. My sister went through this last summer and ended up doing food delivery gigs just to make ends meet. Have either of you tried looking into other temporary assistance programs? Sometimes CalFresh can help bridge the gap even if unemployment is denied.
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Andre Lefebvre
YES! Definitely appeal this! My husband works at a community college as an adjunct and we went through the exact same thing last year. What worked for us was appealing and emphasizing that there was NO GUARANTEE of fall employment (which is true for most adjuncts/TAs). We submitted his contract which showed it was term-by-term employment with no promise of future work. We won the appeal and got backpay for the summer period. Don't give up!
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Ethan Clark
•That's really encouraging to hear! We'll definitely appeal then. Did you attend a hearing or was it just through paperwork? And about how long did the appeal process take before you got a decision?
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Zoe Alexopoulos
I went through something similar when I worked at UC system. The key is understanding California Education Code Section 1253.3 which restricts benefits for school employees during recess periods IF they have reasonable assurance of returning to work. You need to request an appeal hearing ASAP and focus on these points: 1. Whether his position is truly GUARANTEED for fall (get this in writing from HR if possible) 2. Whether there's any POSSIBILITY his position could be eliminated 3. If he's part-time/adjunct vs. tenure-track (part-time has better chance) In my case, I was able to get benefits because my department couldn't guarantee my exact hours would be the same in fall semester. Be prepared for a phone hearing where you'll need to explain all this to a judge. Also, while you're waiting for the appeal, try calling EDD directly to explain the situation. They're incredibly hard to reach by phone, but I've had success using this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helps you bypass the phone tree and get to an actual EDD agent. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10?si=TSwYbu_GOwYzt9km - it saved me hours of frustration. Sometimes talking to the right agent can resolve things faster than the formal appeal process.
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Ethan Clark
•This is really detailed and helpful, thank you! I didn't know about that specific Education Code section. I'll make sure to mention it in our appeal. My husband is definitely part-time, not tenure track, so hopefully that helps our case. I'll check out that Claimyr service too - we've tried calling EDD multiple times but always get the "too many callers" message.
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Jamal Anderson
dont waste ur time with appeal.... i tried last yr and they STILL denied me. education workers get screwed every summer. system is rigged against us tbh
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Mei Wong
•I disagree - my appeal WAS successful! But it took almost 8 weeks to get resolved, which was super stressful. The most important thing is being VERY specific about why your situation doesn't fit their "reasonable assurance" guidelines. Just saying "I need money" won't work (learned that the hard way). I had to prove my job for fall semester wasn't 100% secured.
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StarStrider
One more important thing to note: if you're going to appeal, don't wait until the last minute. The appeals process can take 6-8 weeks under normal circumstances, sometimes longer if they're backlogged (which they often are). File the appeal the moment you decide to go that route. Also, make sure that while the appeal is pending, your husband continues to certify for benefits every two weeks as if he were eligible. If you win the appeal, EDD will only pay for weeks that were properly certified, so don't skip this step even though the claim is currently denied. You certify through the same UI Online portal, even for denied claims under appeal.
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Ethan Clark
•This is a great tip that I wouldn't have known! I just assumed we couldn't certify while the claim was denied. We'll make sure to keep certifying every two weeks while we go through the appeal process. Thank you!
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Yuki Sato
has anyone tried getting a different job just for summer and then quiting when school starts again? would EDD deny benefits for that too??
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•That's actually a complicated situation. If you quit a job voluntarily without good cause (and returning to your education job isn't considered "good cause" by EDD standards), you could be disqualified from benefits. It's best to look for temporary or seasonal work that has a clear end date, rather than quitting. Some people do side gigs like Uber/DoorDash during summer breaks since those don't impact unemployment eligibility in the same way as W2 employment.
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Mei Wong
I've been working in university administration for 12 years and deal with this issue every summer with our staff. Here's what you need to know: The "reasonable assurance" rule is VERY specific. For your husband to be disqualified, the university must have provided him with a FORMAL assurance of employment for the fall term. If it was just a verbal "we'll probably have classes for you" or an email saying "we expect to have you back," that might NOT qualify as reasonable assurance under EDD guidelines. Request his personnel file from HR IMMEDIATELY. Look for any official documents promising fall employment. If there's nothing formal, use that in your appeal. Also, if his fall position would have significantly different hours or pay compared to his previous position, that can also invalidate the "reasonable assurance" disqualification. Don't give up - about 40% of education employee appeals for this issue are successful when properly documented!
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Ethan Clark
•This is exactly what I needed to hear! He hasn't received anything formal in writing about fall classes yet. They typically don't send contracts until late August. I'll have him request his personnel file tomorrow and see what documentation they actually have on file. Really appreciate your insider perspective on this!
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QuantumQuasar
My cousin had this exact problem with his community college job!! He appealed and won but it was because he could prove his hours weren't guaranteed to be the same. Took forever tho and we had to loan him money for rent while waiting :/
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Ethan Clark
•That's good to know it's possible to win these appeals! We might need to borrow money too while waiting. How long did your cousin's appeal take from filing to decision?
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QuantumQuasar
•It was like 7 or 8 weeks I think? The worst part was not knowing if he'd win or not. But when he did win they paid all the back weeks at once so that helped catch up on bills.
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Carmen Ruiz
While you're waiting for the appeal process, check if your husband qualifies for any emergency assistance programs. Some options: - CalFresh (food assistance) - you may qualify even with income slightly above the normal limits due to having reduced income - Local rental assistance programs (many counties have emergency funds) - Utility payment assistance programs (LIHEAP or similar) - Credit union emergency loans (often have better terms than payday loans) Also, has your husband checked if the university offers any summer grants or hardship funds for staff? Some institutions have emergency funds for employees that most people don't know about.
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Ethan Clark
•Thank you for these suggestions! We hadn't thought about CalFresh - I'll look into that right away. I'm not sure about university hardship funds, but that's a great idea to check on. Anything would help at this point while we navigate the appeal process.
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