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Oliver Fischer

Denied for CalWORKs even with all verification - how soon can I reapply?

Just got my denial letter for CalWORKs yesterday and I'm seriously freaking out. I've got 2 kids and just lost my job last month. I turned in EVERYTHING they asked for - pay stubs, birth certificates, rent agreement, utility bills, even my termination letter! The denial notice says something about 'not meeting eligibility requirements' but doesn't explain which ones I failed. I tried calling the county office 8 times today but either get disconnected or sit on hold forever. Does anyone know if there's a waiting period before I can apply again? Or should I request a hearing instead? I've left messages with legal aid but nobody calls back. My landlord is already threatening eviction and I don't know what to do. Any advice would help, especially from someone who's been through this.

There's NO waiting period to reapply for CalWORKs! But before you do that, you should definitely request a fair hearing - you only have 90 days from the date on your denial notice. The denial notice should have a form on the back or instructions for requesting a hearing. Based on what you described, I'd want to know WHY you were denied. The most common reasons are: 1. Income exceeding the limit (even with job loss, they might count recent income) 2. Missing verification (sometimes they lose documents we submit) 3. Child support cooperation requirements 4. Immigration status issues 5. Resource limits (like having too much money in bank accounts) Did your denial letter specify ANY reason at all? That would help figure out your next steps.

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It just says 'Failed to establish eligibility as required by regulations' and has some code numbers that make no sense to me. I'm going to look for the hearing request form right now. Do you think applying again while also requesting a hearing is a good idea or should I just pick one route?

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i got denied twise before my calworks was aproved. they kept sayin i didnt submit stuf but i did. somtimes the papers get lost at ther office or they just dont look at everthing u gave them. i would apply again AND do the hearing. thats what i did and it worked for me

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That's good to know. Did you submit the same documents again or did you do something different the second time? Also how long did it take between applications?

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You should definitely request a hearing right away - don't wait! Make sure to check the "continue benefits" box if you were already receiving aid before (doesn't sound like you were though). While waiting for the hearing, you can also reapply immediately. There's technically no waiting period between applications. One important thing: call your county office and request a detailed explanation of why you were denied. Ask them to tell you SPECIFICALLY what verification was missing or what eligibility criteria you didn't meet. Get the worker's name and ID number when you call. Document everything. If your landlord is threatening eviction, also immediately apply for Homeless Assistance through CalWORKs - you might qualify even if your regular CalWORKs application was denied. This can provide temporary shelter payments or money to prevent eviction while you sort out your regular application.

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Thank you, I didn't know about the Homeless Assistance option. Would I apply for that separately or is it part of the regular CalWORKs application? The eviction threat is really stressing me out.

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When I couldn't reach my CalWORKs worker for weeks after a denial, I used this service called Claimyr that got me through to a live person in under 5 minutes. Basically they wait on hold for you and call you back when a real person answers. So much better than sitting on hold for hours! Their website is claimyr.com and they have a video demo at https://youtu.be/jzISHxCPLwE that shows how it works. Honestly saved my sanity and got my benefits straightened out in one call when I could finally talk to a real worker.

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does this really work? i been trying to reach my worker for 3 weeks!!!

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It worked for me! I was skeptical too but when you're desperate enough to try anything... The worker even told me why my application was denied (missing child support paperwork that I actually DID submit but they lost).

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THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME!!! I swear the county LOVES denying people just to make them jump through more hoops. I've had 3 denials before finally getting approved. Each time for something different that was never explained properly in the first place. The system is DESIGNED to frustrate people so they'll give up applying. Did you get a denial code? Sometimes there are random numbers/letters on the notice that the eligibility workers understand but make no sense to us. Also check if there was an appointment you missed? Sometimes they schedule phone interviews without clearly telling you and then deny you for missing it.

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There are some codes on the notice - MPP 40-107.62 and MPP 40-171.21. I did have a phone interview and I'm sure I completed it because it lasted almost an hour and the worker said she had everything she needed from me.

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I looked up those MPP codes you mentioned. MPP 40-107.62 relates to verification requirements, and MPP 40-171.21 is about responsibility to provide evidence of eligibility. This suggests they're claiming you didn't provide some required documentation. Specifically request an "appeal for an administrative hearing" and also ask for a "position statement" from the county explaining exactly what was missing. When you call, use the exact phrase "I need to understand specifically what verification was missing from my CalWORKs application according to MPP 40-107.62." For the homeless assistance I mentioned earlier, you apply for it separately but at the same office. Tell them it's an emergency and you're facing eviction. You might qualify for immediate temporary assistance even while your main case is being appealed.

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Thank you so much for looking up those codes! I'm going to use that exact phrasing when I call. I've been trying all morning again with no luck getting through.

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Have u tryed going in person? Sumtimes thats the only way to get answers frfr. I got denied 2x and when I finaly went in person they found out my address was wrong so I wasnt getting notices about missing paperwork. Also bring COPIES of everything dont give them originals cuz they lose stuff. And def ask 4 a hearing, u only have 90 days I think. Good luck!!

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I haven't tried in person yet - our county office is always packed with long lines. But maybe that's what I need to do at this point. Thanks for the advice about bringing copies!

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After trying that Claimyr service I mentioned and actually speaking to a worker, I found out that my denial was because they needed additional verification about my living situation. The worker was able to tell me exactly what documents they needed and gave me a fax number to send them directly to her. Much easier than reapplying from scratch. Also make sure you've applied for CalFresh (food stamps) separately! Even if you're dealing with CalWORKs issues, you might still qualify for CalFresh and can get food assistance while sorting out the cash aid.

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I did apply for CalFresh at the same time and that got approved! That's why I'm so confused about the CalWORKs denial. I'm going to try getting through tomorrow and if I can't, I might try that service you mentioned.

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Just want to add something important - when you do request a hearing, you have rights to examine your case file before the hearing. Request a copy of your entire file so you can see exactly what they claim is missing. The county is required to provide this info. Also, if you discover what verification was missing, you can provide it and ask for a "conditional withdrawal" of your hearing request - basically saying "If you approve me now that I've provided this document, I'll withdraw my hearing request." This often works because counties don't want to go through hearings if they can avoid them. For the Homeless Assistance, ask specifically for "Permanent Homeless Assistance" if you're being evicted from established housing, not "Temporary Homeless Assistance" which is for if you're already homeless.

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I didn't know I could look at my case file or do a conditional withdrawal - that's really helpful! And thanks for clarifying about the different types of Homeless Assistance, I'll definitely ask for the Permanent type.

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I went through a similar situation last year with my CalWORKs denial. One thing that really helped me was documenting EVERYTHING - I started keeping a log of every phone call, every document I submitted, and every interaction with workers. When I finally got through to someone, having all those details made it much easier to explain my situation. Also, don't forget about other emergency resources while you're dealing with this. Many counties have emergency rental assistance programs that are separate from CalWORKs. You can also call 211 for local resources - they often know about programs that can help with rent or utilities while you're waiting for your benefits to get sorted out. One more tip: if you do go in person, try to get there right when they open. The lines are usually shorter first thing in the morning, and the workers tend to be less overwhelmed early in the day. Bring a folder with copies of everything organized by date - it shows you're serious and prepared. Hang in there - the system is frustrating but don't give up! You have kids depending on you and you deserve these benefits if you qualify.

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Reading through all these responses has been so educational - I had no idea there were so many options and strategies for dealing with CalWORKs denials! As someone who's been lurking in this community for a while but never posted, your situation really motivated me to finally speak up. I went through a very similar denial situation about 6 months ago. Like you, I submitted everything they asked for and still got denied with those same frustrating vague codes. What finally worked for me was a combination of several things people have mentioned here: 1. I used that Claimyr service to actually get through to a human (seriously, it was a game changer after weeks of busy signals) 2. When I finally talked to someone, I asked for both the "NOA explanation" AND requested my complete case file 3. Turned out they had lost one page of my bank statements and needed me to resubmit just that one page The whole thing was resolved within a week once I knew exactly what was missing. But here's the key - I also filed for the hearing right away as backup, which I think put some pressure on them to resolve it quickly. For your immediate housing situation, definitely pursue that emergency rental assistance ASAP. In my county it was through a different department entirely and I got approved within 3 days. It bought me time to get the CalWORKs sorted out without losing my apartment. You're being an amazing advocate for your kids - don't let this broken system make you feel otherwise. The fact that so many people here have similar stories shows it's not you, it's definitely them!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience and for finally deciding to speak up! It's really encouraging to hear from someone who went through almost the exact same situation and got it resolved. The fact that it turned out to be just one missing page of bank statements is both frustrating and reassuring - frustrating that such a small thing caused all this stress, but reassuring that it might be something equally simple in my case. I'm definitely going to try that Claimyr service tomorrow if I can't get through the regular way. After reading everyone's responses, I feel like I have a real action plan now instead of just panicking about the denial. Your point about filing the hearing as backup creating pressure to resolve things quickly is really smart - I hadn't thought about it that way, but it makes total sense that they'd want to avoid the hearing process if possible. I'm going to start calling about emergency rental assistance first thing in the morning. Three days for approval sounds amazing compared to this CalWORKs nightmare! Thank you for the encouragement about being a good advocate for my kids. Some days I really need to hear that, especially when dealing with systems that make you feel like you're doing something wrong just for needing help. It's so helpful to know that other parents have been through this exact situation and made it through to the other side.

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I'm so sorry you're going through this frustrating situation! Reading through all the amazing advice everyone has shared, I wanted to add one more thing that helped me when I was dealing with a similar CalWORKs denial. When you do get through to someone (whether through that Claimyr service or by going in person), ask them to email you a summary of what was discussed. Many workers can send a quick email with the key points - what documents they need, what the next steps are, etc. Having it in writing prevents miscommunication and gives you something to reference later. Also, I noticed you mentioned your kids - make sure to emphasize to the workers that you have minor children in the household when you're discussing your case. Sometimes this helps prioritize your case or qualifies you for expedited processing, especially if you're facing homelessness. The fact that your CalFresh got approved really is a good sign that your basic eligibility is solid. CalWORKs just has those additional hoops to jump through. You're doing everything right by not giving up and exploring all these options. One last thought - if you do end up needing to reapply while also pursuing the hearing, make sure to mention on the new application that you have a pending appeal for a previous denial. This helps them understand the timeline and might prevent duplicate processing issues. You've got this! Your determination and all the knowledge you've gained from this thread puts you in a much stronger position than when you started. Keep us updated on your progress!

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This is such great advice about asking for an email summary! I never would have thought to request that, but having everything in writing would definitely help avoid any confusion later. I'm definitely going to ask for that when I finally get through to someone. You make a really good point about emphasizing that I have minor children - I'll make sure to mention that right up front in every conversation. If it helps prioritize my case or gets me expedited processing, that could make a huge difference with my tight timeline. The tip about mentioning the pending appeal on a new application is really important too. I can see how that would prevent confusion and duplicate processing issues that might just slow things down even more. Thank you for all the encouragement and for adding even more practical strategies to this incredible thread! I started out feeling completely lost and overwhelmed, but now I feel like I have a real toolkit for tackling this situation from multiple angles. I'm going to start making calls first thing tomorrow morning armed with all this knowledge. I'll definitely keep everyone posted on how it goes - hopefully with some good news soon! This community has honestly been life-changing in terms of giving me hope and concrete steps to take.

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