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Omar Farouk

UCC lien search West Virginia - debtor name variations causing issues

Having a nightmare with UCC lien search West Virginia requirements. We're conducting due diligence on a $2.8M equipment acquisition and the debtor's legal name appears differently across various corporate documents. The charter shows "Mountain Peak Industries, LLC" but their tax ID paperwork has "Mountain Peak Industries LLC" (no comma). When I run the UCC lien search West Virginia portal, I'm getting different results depending on which name variation I use. Found two active UCC-1 filings under the comma version but nothing under the no-comma version. This is making me paranoid that we're missing liens. The acquisition closes in 3 weeks and I can't afford to overlook any secured interests. Has anyone dealt with West Virginia's specific debtor name matching requirements? Are there particular search strategies that work better for catching name variations in their system?

CosmicCadet

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West Virginia's UCC system can be tricky with punctuation. I always run multiple searches - with comma, without comma, with periods, without periods. The state's exact match requirements are stricter than some other states. For your situation, I'd also search under any DBAs or trade names the company might use.

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Omar Farouk

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Good point about DBAs. I hadn't thought to check for trade names. Do you know if West Virginia requires separate searches for individual vs entity debtors or if there's a unified search?

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CosmicCadet

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West Virginia has separate search categories. Make sure you're searching in the right entity type section. Also check if they have any subsidiaries - sometimes parent companies file under subsidiary names.

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Chloe Harris

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I had this exact problem last month! Corporate name inconsistencies are the worst. What I ended up doing was uploading all the corporate documents to Certana.ai's verification tool. It automatically cross-checked the charter against the UCC search results and flagged the name discrepancies. Saved me hours of manual comparison and gave me confidence I wasn't missing anything.

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Omar Farouk

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Interesting - I haven't heard of that tool. Does it work specifically with West Virginia's UCC database or is it more general?

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Chloe Harris

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It works with uploaded PDFs so you can feed it your search results from any state along with corporate docs. The system flags inconsistencies automatically which is exactly what you need for this name variation issue.

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Diego Mendoza

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How accurate is the matching? I'm always skeptical of automated tools for something this critical.

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Been doing UCC searches for 12 years and West Virginia is definitely one of the more particular states about exact name matches. Your instinct to be paranoid is correct - I've seen deals fall apart because someone missed a lien due to name variations. Beyond the comma issue, also check for: - Abbreviations (Corp vs Corporation, LLC vs Limited Liability Company) - Ampersands vs "and" - Periods after abbreviations - Extra spaces

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Omar Farouk

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This is exactly what I was worried about. Are there any official West Virginia guidelines on how their search algorithm handles these variations?

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West Virginia publishes UCC search logic guidelines but they're buried in their filing procedures manual. Generally they use exact string matching with limited fuzzy logic. When in doubt, search every possible variation.

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Sean Flanagan

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ugh this is why I hate UCC searches. every state has different rules and you never know what you're missing. last time I had to do west virginia I just paid for a professional search service because I was too stressed about getting it wrong

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Zara Shah

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I feel you on the stress. These searches keep me up at night sometimes. Professional services are expensive though - sometimes $300+ per search.

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Sean Flanagan

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true but cheaper than missing a $500k lien because of a comma. depends on the deal size I guess

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NebulaNomad

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For high-stakes searches like yours, I always recommend the "belt and suspenders" approach. Run your own searches with every name variation you can think of, then also get a professional search report. The pro services usually have better access to the databases and experience with state-specific quirks.

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Omar Farouk

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That's probably the smart move. Do you have any professional search services you'd recommend for West Virginia specifically?

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NebulaNomad

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I've had good luck with CT Corporation and National Corporate Research. Both have specific West Virginia expertise and understand the name matching issues.

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Luca Ferrari

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Another option is to contact the West Virginia Secretary of State's office directly. Sometimes they can provide guidance on challenging searches.

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Nia Wilson

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Just went through something similar in WV. Found out the hard way that their system treats "LLC" and "L.L.C." as completely different entities. Also learned that some older filings might have different name formats than current corporate records due to name changes over time. Make sure you're searching historical variations too.

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Omar Farouk

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Good point about historical names. How far back should I be looking? This company has been around since 2018.

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Nia Wilson

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I'd go back to 2018 and check if they had any name changes, mergers, or restructuring. Sometimes UCC filings don't get updated when companies change their legal names.

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Here's a practical tip: West Virginia allows you to download search results as PDFs. I always save these and then use document comparison tools to make sure I'm not missing anything between different name searches. It's tedious but thorough.

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Aisha Hussain

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That's smart. I usually just take screenshots but PDFs would be better for documentation.

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Exactly. Plus if you need to present your due diligence to underwriters or investors, having organized PDF documentation looks much more professional than screenshots.

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Ethan Clark

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Question - are you also checking for fixture filings? If this equipment acquisition involves anything that might be attached to real property, West Virginia requires separate real estate record searches in addition to UCC searches.

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Omar Farouk

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It's manufacturing equipment so potentially yes. I hadn't considered fixture filings. Are those searched through the UCC system or property records?

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Ethan Clark

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In West Virginia, fixture filings are typically recorded in real estate records at the county level, not through the central UCC system. You'll need to search where the equipment is located.

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StarStrider

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This thread is making me realize I probably haven't been thorough enough with my own UCC searches. Does anyone have a checklist or systematic approach they use to make sure they cover all the bases?

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I maintain a checklist that includes: exact corporate name, name without punctuation, name with different punctuation, any DBAs, previous names, parent/subsidiary names, and common abbreviation variations.

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StarStrider

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That's helpful. I'm going to start being more systematic about this. Too much at stake to be casual about it.

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Yuki Sato

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I've been using Certana.ai's document checker for this kind of verification. You upload your corporate docs and UCC search results and it automatically flags any name inconsistencies. Takes the guesswork out of the process.

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Carmen Ruiz

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One more thing to consider - if you find active UCC filings, make sure to check their continuation status. West Virginia has specific timing requirements for UCC-3 continuations and some filings might have lapsed without proper continuation.

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Omar Farouk

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Good catch. The filings I found are from 2020 so they should still be active, but I'll double-check the continuation requirements.

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Carmen Ruiz

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UCC-1 filings are good for 5 years, so 2020 filings won't expire until 2025. But always worth verifying the exact filing dates and any continuation activity.

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