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Dmitry Volkov

UCC filing rejected three times - debtor name keeps getting flagged

I'm losing my mind here. We've had our UCC filing rejected THREE times now and I can't figure out what's wrong with the debtor name. The business is "Johnson & Associates Construction LLC" but the SOS keeps sending it back saying the name doesn't match their records. I've tried it with the ampersand, spelled out "and", even tried dropping the LLC part. Each rejection costs us time and the continuation deadline is coming up fast. Has anyone dealt with this kind of debtor name nightmare? I'm starting to think their system is just broken.

Ava Thompson

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Oh no, not the debtor name hell! Been there. The SOS systems are super picky about exact matches. Have you tried checking the Secretary of State business entity search to see exactly how they have the name listed? Sometimes there are subtle differences like periods, commas, or spacing that aren't obvious.

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Dmitry Volkov

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I did check but honestly their search function is terrible. When I type in Johnson it brings up like 500 results and half of them seem to be duplicates with slightly different formatting.

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CyberSiren

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Try searching by the entity number if you have it from their articles of incorporation. That usually gives you the exact legal name format they want.

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This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool. You can upload your articles of incorporation and your UCC-1 draft, and it instantly flags any name discrepancies between the documents. Would have saved you three rejection fees! The tool cross-checks everything automatically so you catch these mismatches before filing.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Never heard of that but at this point I'm willing to try anything. How does it work exactly?

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Super simple - just upload PDFs of your charter documents and UCC forms. It scans both and highlights any inconsistencies in debtor names, addresses, or other critical fields. Takes like 30 seconds.

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Zainab Yusuf

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Wish I knew about this last month when I had the same issue with a debtor name that had random punctuation marks.

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Have you considered that the entity might be registered under a different variation? Some LLCs register as "Johnson and Associates Construction, LLC" with the comma, or they might have registered without the "Construction" part originally and added it later as a DBA.

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Dmitry Volkov

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That's a good point. The company has been around for like 15 years so who knows what name they originally filed under.

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Ava Thompson

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Yeah definitely check if they have any DBAs or assumed names on file. Those can really mess up UCC filings if you're not using the exact registered entity name.

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Yara Khoury

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UGH this brings back traumatic memories. I once had a filing rejected SEVEN times because the debtor had a trademark symbol in their registered name that didn't show up clearly in the documents I was working from. The SOS systems are ruthless about exact matches.

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Dmitry Volkov

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SEVEN times?? That must have cost a fortune in filing fees.

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Yara Khoury

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Tell me about it. Plus the client was breathing down my neck about the delays. Now I triple-check everything before submitting.

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This is why I always pull the entity documents directly from the SOS website before preparing any UCC filings. Can't trust secondhand sources for debtor names.

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Keisha Taylor

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Are you sure you're filing in the right state? If they're organized in Delaware but doing business in your state, you might need to file where they're actually organized, not where they operate.

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Dmitry Volkov

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They're definitely organized in-state. I've seen their articles of incorporation.

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Keisha Taylor

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OK just checking. I've seen people waste weeks filing in the wrong jurisdiction.

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Pro tip: if you have access to their EIN paperwork or tax documents, those usually have the exact legal entity name that matches what's on file with the Secretary of State. Banks and the IRS are pretty strict about name consistency.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Good idea! I'll ask them for their tax docs. Didn't think of that.

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Ava Thompson

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Yeah the EIN application usually has the name exactly as registered. That's actually a really smart approach.

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The Certana tool I mentioned earlier actually checks names against multiple sources including tax ID formats. Catches these kinds of variations automatically.

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Paolo Marino

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This might sound crazy but have you tried calling the UCC filing office directly? Sometimes they can tell you exactly what's wrong with your submission. Not all states offer this but some do.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Worth a shot. I'm pretty desperate at this point.

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Yara Khoury

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Some states have really helpful UCC staff, others just tell you to read the rejection notice more carefully. Hit or miss.

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Amina Bah

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johnson & associates construction - try all caps maybe? JOHNSON & ASSOCIATES CONSTRUCTION LLC. some systems are case sensitive even though they shouldn't be

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Most UCC systems aren't case sensitive but you never know. Worth trying different formatting at this point.

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Dmitry Volkov

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I'll give it a shot. Running out of ideas here.

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Oliver Becker

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Have you checked if they recently amended their articles of incorporation? Sometimes companies change their names slightly and there's a lag between when they file the amendment and when it shows up in the UCC system's database.

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Dmitry Volkov

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How would I check that? Do I need to pull their complete filing history?

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Oliver Becker

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Most SOS websites let you search entity history. Look for any amendments or name changes in the past year or two.

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Good point. Name changes can create a real mess for UCC filings if you're working off old documents.

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Just went through something similar last week. Turned out the debtor had a period after "LLC" that I couldn't see clearly in the scanned documents. Johnson & Associates Construction LLC. vs Johnson & Associates Construction LLC - one tiny dot made all the difference.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Oh wow, I never even thought about punctuation being that critical. I'll check for periods and other marks.

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Yeah it's ridiculous how picky these systems are about formatting. Every character has to be perfect.

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Ava Thompson

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This is why I always zoom way in on any scanned documents when I'm transcribing entity names. Those little marks can be almost invisible.

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Final thought - if all else fails, you might need to file a UCC-1 amendment after getting the original filing accepted with whatever name variation works, then immediately amend it to correct any discrepancies. Not ideal but it beats missing your deadline.

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Dmitry Volkov

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That's actually not a bad backup plan. At least it would get something on file before the deadline.

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Just make sure the amendment is clearly marked as correcting the debtor name. You don't want any confusion about what you're changing.

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Yara Khoury

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I've had to do this before. It works but you end up paying double filing fees which really stings.

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