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Sean Kelly

UCC-1s rejected twice - debtor name variations causing headaches

We've had two UCC-1s rejected in the past month and I'm starting to think there's something systematic we're missing. Both were for commercial equipment loans, different borrowers, but both came back with debtor name issues. The first one was for "ABC Manufacturing LLC" and we filed it exactly as it appears on their articles of incorporation, but the SOS kicked it back saying the legal name didn't match their records. When we checked the Secretary of State database, they had "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" with a comma. The second rejection was even more frustrating - we filed for "Johnson & Associates Inc" and they said it should be "Johnson and Associates Inc" spelled out. Our loan documents all use the ampersand version. Has anyone else been dealing with these picky name matching requirements lately? I'm wondering if there's been a policy change or if we're just having bad luck with the review process.

Zara Mirza

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This is becoming a major issue across multiple states. The automated systems are getting stricter about exact name matches. I've seen rejections for missing commas, periods after Inc vs Inc., and even spacing differences. The key is always checking the exact legal name in the state's business entity database before filing.

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Luca Russo

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Exactly right about checking the business database first. I learned this the hard way after three rejections in one week.

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Nia Harris

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The automated systems are definitely more sensitive now. We've started doing name searches as part of our pre-filing checklist.

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GalaxyGazer

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What about when the business database shows one name but the borrower's documents show another? Which one takes precedence?

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Mateo Sanchez

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I've been fighting this same battle! Had a UCC-1 rejected because we used "Co." instead of "Company" - the difference was buried in the fine print of their certificate of formation. The frustrating part is that loan agreements and other documents often use abbreviated versions, but the UCC filing has to match the state records exactly.

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Zara Mirza

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That's a perfect example of why cross-checking is so critical. The loan docs might be correct for the contract, but the UCC filing needs to match state records.

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Aisha Mahmood

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This is why I always pull the entity documents directly from the state before filing. Can't trust what's on the loan paperwork anymore.

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Ethan Moore

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We started using Certana.ai's document verification tool after getting burned by similar name mismatches. You can upload your loan documents and UCC-1 side by side and it flags any inconsistencies between debtor names, including punctuation and spacing differences. It's saved us probably 6-7 rejections this year alone - the system catches things like comma placement and abbreviation differences that are easy to miss when you're reviewing manually.

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Sean Kelly

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That sounds like exactly what we need. Do you upload the borrower's charter documents too or just the UCC forms?

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Ethan Moore

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You can do both - the Charter to UCC-1 check workflow is really helpful. It'll flag if your UCC debtor name doesn't match what's on the articles of incorporation or certificate of formation.

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How accurate is it with catching these small differences? We've had issues with systems missing subtle punctuation.

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Carmen Vega

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omg this is so frustrating!! i had a filing rejected because i put "LLC" instead of "L.L.C." - who even uses periods in LLC anymore?? the state database search is confusing too, sometimes it shows multiple versions of the same company name

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Zara Mirza

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The periods in LLC are still used in some states. It's all about what's on the official formation documents filed with that state.

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Luca Russo

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If you're seeing multiple versions in the database, usually the most recent filing is the correct one, but sometimes you need to check the entity status too.

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Here's what I don't understand - why can't the UCC system just accept reasonable variations of the same name? If "Johnson & Associates Inc" and "Johnson and Associates Inc" clearly refer to the same entity, why make us guess which version they want? The whole point is to provide notice to other creditors, and both versions accomplish that.

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Andre Moreau

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I agree it's frustrating, but the system needs consistent rules. If they allowed variations, where would they draw the line? It's actually protecting the integrity of the filing system.

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I get the consistency argument, but then they need to make it crystal clear what the exact format should be. The guessing game is costing everyone time and money.

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Zoe Stavros

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The legal name as filed with the state is the only objective standard they can use. Otherwise every filing would be subjective.

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Jamal Harris

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Been dealing with this for 15 years and it's definitely gotten worse. Used to be that minor variations were accepted, but now the automated systems are inflexible. My advice: always start with the Secretary of State business entity search, get the exact legal name from there, and copy it character for character. Don't rely on what's in your loan file.

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Sean Kelly

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That's good advice about copying character for character. Do you ever call the filing office to confirm the name if you're unsure?

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Jamal Harris

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I used to, but most states have moved to online-only processing. The phone support is usually just reading from the same database you can access.

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Mei Chen

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This exact thing happened to me last month! Filed a UCC-1 for "Smith Bros. Construction LLC" and it got rejected. Turns out the legal name was "Smith Brothers Construction LLC" - no abbreviation allowed. The worst part was that all the borrower's business cards and letterhead use "Bros." so that's what I assumed was correct.

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Zara Mirza

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That's a classic example of why you can't trust the borrower's marketing materials. The legal name is what matters for UCC filings.

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Aisha Mahmood

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I always ask borrowers for a copy of their articles of incorporation or certificate of formation now. Can't rely on business cards or invoices.

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Liam Sullivan

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Wait, I thought if you were close enough on the name it would still be effective for perfection purposes? Like if a searcher would still find your filing even with slight variations?

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Zoe Stavros

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That's true for searching and perfection effectiveness, but you still have to get the filing accepted first. The rejection is just an administrative issue, not a perfection issue.

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Liam Sullivan

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Oh I see, so even if it would be effective once filed, they won't accept it in the first place if the name is wrong?

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Andre Moreau

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Exactly. The filing office has to accept it before it becomes effective. Name errors are grounds for rejection.

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Amara Okafor

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I've started keeping a spreadsheet of all the name variations I've encountered and their correct legal versions. It's helped me avoid repeat mistakes, but every new client seems to have their own unique naming quirks.

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Luca Russo

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That's a great idea for tracking patterns. I bet you've caught some interesting variations.

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Amara Okafor

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You wouldn't believe some of the differences - periods, commas, abbreviations, even different word orders in some cases.

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Last week I had to file a UCC-3 amendment just to correct a debtor name that had been wrong on the original UCC-1 for two years. Nobody caught it until the loan was being renewed. Cost the client extra fees and delayed their funding. These name issues can have real consequences down the road.

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Zara Mirza

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That's exactly why getting it right the first time is so important. UCC-3 amendments add cost and complexity.

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Sean Kelly

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How did you handle the gap period where the name was wrong? Was the lien still perfected?

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Had to do some legal research on that. Fortunately the error was minor enough that it probably wouldn't have affected perfection, but the amendment was still the right thing to do.

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This thread convinced me to double-check a UCC-1 I was about to file. Good thing too - I had "ABC Corp" but the state database shows "ABC Corporation". Would have been rejected for sure. Thanks for the heads up everyone!

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Luca Russo

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Perfect example of why these discussions are helpful. Glad you caught it before filing!

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Zara Mirza

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That's exactly the kind of error that's easy to miss but guaranteed to cause a rejection. Corp vs Corporation is a common one.

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