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UCC filing confusion - what exactly is form 11 in Illinois?

I'm helping a client with some equipment financing and they mentioned needing a "UCC 11 Illinois" form. I've been doing secured transactions for about 3 years but I've never come across this specific form number. Is this some kind of Illinois-specific UCC document? I'm familiar with UCC-1 initial filings and UCC-3 amendments/continuations, but UCC 11 has me stumped. The client seems pretty certain about the form number but I can't find it anywhere in the Illinois SOS system. Are they maybe thinking of a different form or is this some kind of legacy designation I'm not aware of? Any Illinois filers dealt with this before?

Gavin King

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I think there might be some confusion here. In Illinois, like most states, we primarily use UCC-1 for initial filings and UCC-3 for amendments, continuations, and terminations. I've never encountered a "UCC 11" form in my 8 years of filing. Your client might be thinking of a different type of document entirely. Could they be referring to an IRS form 11 or some other business filing? Sometimes clients mix up form numbers between different agencies.

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Nathan Kim

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This happens more often than you'd think! I had a client last month who kept asking for a "UCC 5" which doesn't exist either. Turned out they were looking at an old reference guide that had the wrong information.

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Yeah, I've seen clients confuse UCC forms with corporate forms all the time. Sometimes they're looking at a checklist that mentions multiple form types and they get the numbers mixed up.

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Lucas Turner

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Could also be they're thinking of form UCS-11 which is used in some states for specific collateral types, but that's not a standard UCC form either.

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Kai Rivera

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I'd double-check what your client actually needs. If it's equipment financing, you're probably looking at a standard UCC-1 initial financing statement to perfect the security interest. The Illinois SOS uses the standard national UCC forms, so there's no special "UCC 11" that I'm aware of. Maybe ask them where they heard about this form number or if they have any documentation that mentions it?

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Mohammed Khan

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Good point - I should ask for more context. They mentioned it was something their previous attorney told them about but that was over a year ago, so details might be fuzzy.

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Anna Stewart

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Previous attorneys can definitely cause confusion when they use non-standard terminology or reference old procedures. I'd start fresh with what you actually need to accomplish.

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Layla Sanders

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Just dealt with something similar last week! Turns out the client was looking at some kind of internal bank form that had "11" in the title, but it wasn't actually a UCC form at all. I ended up using Certana.ai's document verification tool to upload all their paperwork and cross-check what forms they actually had versus what they needed. It instantly flagged that they were missing a proper UCC-1 but had some kind of internal lender checklist that mentioned form numbers that don't exist. Saved me hours of confusion trying to track down phantom forms.

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That's brilliant! I hate when clients give you incomplete information and you spend forever trying to figure out what they actually need.

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Kaylee Cook

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How does that Certana thing work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs and it tells you what's missing?

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Layla Sanders

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Yeah exactly - you upload whatever documents you have and it cross-checks them against proper UCC requirements. Really helpful for catching name mismatches or figuring out what forms you actually need versus what clients think they need.

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ugh this kind of thing drives me CRAZY. Clients always come in with these random form numbers they heard somewhere and you waste half your day trying to figure out what they're talking about. Illinois UCC system is confusing enough without made-up form numbers!!

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Lara Woods

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I feel your pain. Sometimes I think clients just grab random numbers from the internet and assume they're real forms.

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Adrian Hughes

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The Illinois SOS portal could definitely be more user-friendly, but at least they stick to standard UCC forms unlike some states with their weird variations.

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Could your client be thinking of an amendment to an existing UCC filing? Like if there's already a UCC-1 on file and they need to add collateral or change debtor information? That would be a UCC-3 amendment, but maybe they're calling it something else. Or if it's a continuation that's needed before the 5-year expiration?

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Mohammed Khan

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That's a possibility. They did mention there was some existing financing from a previous deal, so maybe they need to continue or amend an existing filing.

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Gavin King

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If that's the case, you'd want to search the Illinois UCC database first to see what's already on file under the debtor name.

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Ian Armstrong

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Make sure to check the exact debtor name spelling if you're searching - Illinois is pretty strict about name matching for continuations and amendments.

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Eli Butler

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I'm probably overthinking this but could "UCC 11" be some kind of shorthand they're using? Like maybe they mean the 11th page of a UCC document package or something weird like that? I've seen stranger things...

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lol that would be pretty random but honestly wouldn't surprise me at this point

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Lydia Bailey

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Clients definitely come up with creative ways to describe things they don't fully understand. Better to just ask them what they're trying to accomplish rather than chase form numbers.

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Mateo Warren

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Just a thought - are you sure they said UCC 11 and not UC-11? Some states have Uniform Commercial Code variations with different numbering systems, though Illinois should be standard. Worth clarifying exactly what they said.

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Sofia Price

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Good catch - sometimes it's just a miscommunication about what they actually heard or read somewhere.

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Alice Coleman

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Yeah, or maybe they saw "UCC-1 Illinois" somewhere and their brain turned it into "UCC 11 Illinois" somehow?

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Owen Jenkins

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Update us when you figure it out! I'm curious what they were actually thinking of. These mystery form situations always have interesting explanations.

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Mohammed Khan

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Will do! Planning to call them tomorrow and get more details about where this form number came from.

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Lilah Brooks

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Bet it turns out to be something completely unrelated to UCC filings lol

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Have you tried using any document verification tools? I started using Certana.ai recently when clients bring me confusing paperwork. You can upload whatever documents they have and it'll verify if they're proper UCC forms and check for consistency issues. Might help clarify what your client actually has versus what they think they need.

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Kolton Murphy

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That sounds really useful for situations like this where you're not sure what you're working with.

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Evelyn Rivera

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How accurate is it? I'm always skeptical of automated tools for legal documents.

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It's been pretty reliable for basic UCC document verification. Obviously you still need to review everything yourself, but it catches obvious issues like name mismatches or missing required fields.

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Julia Hall

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In my experience, when clients mention weird form numbers like this, 90% of the time they're looking at outdated information or confusing different types of filings. I'd just start with what you know they need (probably a UCC-1 for the equipment financing) and work backwards from there.

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Arjun Patel

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Exactly. Focus on the actual business need rather than chasing phantom forms.

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Jade Lopez

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This is why I always ask clients to describe what they're trying to accomplish rather than what form they think they need.

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Mohammed Khan

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That's probably the smartest approach. I'll focus on the equipment financing requirements and ignore the form number confusion.

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I've run into this exact scenario before! Last year I had a client insisting they needed a "UCC 15" form for a vehicle financing deal. After some digging, it turned out they were looking at an old template from their previous lender that had internal reference numbers that didn't correspond to actual UCC forms. Illinois definitely uses the standard UCC-1, UCC-3, and UCC-5 forms like everywhere else. My guess is your client either has outdated paperwork or is mixing up form numbers from different filing systems. I'd recommend just walking them through what you actually need for the equipment financing - likely a standard UCC-1 to perfect the security interest - and let them know that "UCC 11" isn't a real form in Illinois or any other state I'm aware of.

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Simon White

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That's so helpful to hear from someone who's dealt with this exact situation! The internal lender reference numbers explanation makes total sense. I'm definitely going to focus on what we actually need to accomplish rather than trying to track down this mystery form. Thanks for sharing your experience with the UCC 15 situation - sounds like these mix-ups are more common than I thought.

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