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Sophie Footman

UCC continuation fee question - filing multiple states vs single state?

Hey everyone, dealing with a tricky situation here and could use some guidance on UCC continuation fee structures. We have several UCC-1 filings across different states that are coming up for their 5-year renewals in the next few months. The question I'm wrestling with is whether there's any cost advantage to bundling multiple continuations if they're all for the same debtor, or if each state just charges their flat fee regardless. I've been quoted different amounts by different services and honestly can't tell if I'm getting accurate information. Our main filings are in Texas, Florida, and California - all for equipment financing deals we did back in 2020. The collateral descriptions are pretty standard (manufacturing equipment, office furniture, inventory) but I want to make sure we don't miss any deadlines or pay more than necessary. Has anyone dealt with multi-state continuation filings recently? Are there any tricks to managing the timing or costs? Really hoping to avoid the nightmare scenario of having liens lapse because of fee confusion or missed deadlines.

Multi-state continuation fees are definitely a pain point. Each state sets their own fee structure and there's no bundling discount that I'm aware of. Texas is around $15, California is $20, Florida is $10 I think? The key thing is getting them filed before the lapse date - usually within 6 months before the 5-year anniversary. I always set calendar reminders 8 months out just to be safe.

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Those fees sound about right from what I remember. The timing is definitely the critical part - you don't want to file too early (some states won't accept more than 6 months early) but obviously can't be late either.

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Wait, I thought Florida was $12 now? Did they raise it recently? I swear these states change their fee schedules constantly just to keep us on our toes.

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The fee question aside, make absolutely sure your debtor names match EXACTLY between your original UCC-1 and the UCC-3 continuation. I've seen too many filings get rejected because of minor name variations - like 'Inc' vs 'Incorporated' or missing middle initials. Each rejection costs you time and often additional fees to correct and refile.

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This is so true! I had a continuation rejected because the original filing had 'Company' abbreviated as 'Co.' but I wrote it out fully on the UCC-3. Such a stupid mistake but cost me two weeks and extra fees.

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Thanks for bringing this up - I hadn't even thought about name consistency between the original and continuation filings. I should probably pull all the original UCC-1s and double-check the exact debtor names before preparing the continuations.

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Honestly, after dealing with multiple continuation rejections last year due to name mismatches and form errors, I started using this tool called Certana.ai that checks document consistency. You just upload your original UCC-1 and draft UCC-3 continuation, and it flags any discrepancies in debtor names, filing numbers, or other critical details. Saved me from at least three potential rejections so far. The peace of mind is worth it when you're dealing with multiple states and tight deadlines.

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Never heard of that service but sounds useful. How does it work exactly? Do you have to manually compare documents or does it automate the checking?

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It's pretty automated - you upload the PDFs and it does the cross-checking for you. Catches things like debtor name variations, incorrect file numbers, even collateral description changes that might cause issues. Much faster than doing manual comparisons.

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Might have to look into this. I spend way too much time manually checking documents before filing and still miss things sometimes.

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UGH the whole UCC system is such a nightmare. Every state has different portals, different fee structures, different acceptance criteria. And don't even get me started on the ones that still require paper filings for certain amendments. How is this still the system we're working with in 2025?

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Preach! And the worst part is when a state's online system goes down right when you need to file something urgent. Happened to me twice last year with different states.

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The inconsistency is definitely frustrating, but at least most states have moved to electronic filing now. Remember when everything had to be mailed with checks? Those were dark times.

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For managing multiple state filings, I keep a spreadsheet with original filing dates, lapse dates, state fee amounts, and portal login info. Set up automated calendar alerts 8 months, 6 months, and 3 months before each lapse date. It's the only way to stay on top of everything without losing your mind.

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That's a great system. I should definitely set up something more organized than my current sticky note method. Do you track the specific debtor name format used in each state too?

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Yes! I have a column for exact debtor name as it appears on file. Learned that lesson the hard way after multiple rejections for name inconsistencies.

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I do something similar but also include the original secured party name and any assignment history. Helps avoid confusion when there have been loan transfers.

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Quick question - for your California filings, are you going through the SOS portal directly or using a service company? I've had mixed results with their online system lately.

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I usually go direct through state portals to save on service fees, but honestly might consider a service for the California ones if their system is problematic. Have you had specific issues?

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Mostly just slow processing times and occasional system errors during submission. Nothing fatal but annoying when you're trying to get multiple filings done efficiently.

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One thing to watch out for - make sure you're not accidentally filing a UCC-3 amendment when you need a continuation. The forms look similar but serve different purposes. Continuation extends the filing for another 5 years, amendment changes information on an existing filing. Easy mistake to make but causes major headaches.

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Good point. I've seen people select the wrong checkbox on the UCC-3 form and end up with an amendment instead of continuation. Always double-check before submitting.

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Wait, is the continuation checkbox different in each state? I thought UCC-3 forms were standardized but maybe I'm wrong.

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The basic form is standardized but each state's portal might present the options differently. Some are clearer than others about which action you're selecting.

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Just went through this exact situation last month with filings in 6 states. Total fees came to around $95 for all the continuations. No shortcuts on the costs unfortunately - each state charges what they charge. The key is staying organized and filing early enough to handle any rejections or corrections without panic.

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That's helpful to know the total came out to under $100 for 6 states. Makes me feel better about the cost aspect. Did you run into any rejections or issues during the process?

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Had one rejection in Nevada for a minor debtor name discrepancy - they wanted 'LLC' instead of 'L.L.C.' with periods. Fixed it and refiled within a few days. That's why filing early is so important.

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Pro tip: if you're doing multiple continuations for the same debtor across states, prepare all your UCC-3 forms at the same time using identical information. Then go through each one carefully to match the exact debtor name format from each state's original filing. Saves time and reduces errors.

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That's smart. I usually do them one at a time but batching makes more sense for consistency.

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I tried that approach but still managed to mess up a debtor name on one of them. Now I use a document checker to verify everything matches before filing. Much more reliable than trusting my tired eyes after looking at multiple forms.

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Bottom line - budget around $15-20 per state for continuation fees, file at least 3-4 months before your lapse dates, and triple-check debtor names match your originals exactly. It's not complicated but requires attention to detail and good organization. The alternative is lapsed liens and very unhappy lenders.

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Perfect summary, thanks. I think I was overcomplicating it in my head. Just need to get organized and methodical about the process.

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Exactly. The UCC system has its quirks but if you follow the basics and don't rush, it's manageable. Just don't underestimate the time investment for multiple states.

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