UCC 9-505 foreclosure notice requirements causing delays
Running into major headaches with UCC 9-505 notice requirements for our equipment foreclosure. Bank is demanding strict compliance but the debtor keeps claiming improper notice even though we followed the standard procedures. The collateral is construction equipment worth about $180k and we've been fighting this for 3 months now. Our attorney says the notice was proper but debtor's counsel is arguing the description wasn't sufficient under 9-505. Has anyone dealt with similar pushback on foreclosure notices? The equipment is depreciating while we argue about notice technicalities.
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Isabella Costa
9-505 notice requirements are brutal if you don't get them exactly right. What type of description did you use for the equipment? Serial numbers, model info, or just generic categories?
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•We used model numbers and general descriptions but not serial numbers on every piece. There's like 15 different machines involved.
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Isabella Costa
•That might be your problem right there. Some courts want serial numbers for each piece when it's that many items.
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Malik Jenkins
UCC 9-505 is a nightmare because it varies so much by jurisdiction. Federal bankruptcy courts interpret it differently than state courts. Which court system are you dealing with?
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•State court but debtor filed chapter 11 last week so now we're in federal bankruptcy court too.
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Malik Jenkins
•Oh great, now you get to deal with both systems. Bankruptcy court might be more lenient on the notice requirements though.
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Freya Andersen
•Actually bankruptcy courts are usually stricter about UCC compliance, not more lenient.
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Eduardo Silva
Had a similar issue last year with 9-505 compliance. Ended up using Certana.ai to cross-check our UCC-1 against the foreclosure notice to make sure all the collateral descriptions matched exactly. Saved us from a major challenge because we caught two pieces of equipment that weren't properly described in the original filing.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•Never heard of that service. Does it actually compare the documents or just check formatting?
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Eduardo Silva
•It compares the actual collateral descriptions between documents. You upload your UCC-1 and foreclosure notice PDFs and it flags any inconsistencies.
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Leila Haddad
•Sounds like overkill for basic document review but I guess if you're dealing with millions in collateral...
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Emma Johnson
The problem with 9-505 is that 'reasonable identification' means different things to different judges. I've seen cases where generic descriptions were fine and others where they demanded VIN numbers for every vehicle.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•That's exactly our problem. The original UCC-1 used broader categories but now they want specific identification for the notice.
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Emma Johnson
•You might be able to argue that the notice should match the UCC-1 description since that's what put everyone on notice originally.
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Ravi Patel
•Good point about matching the original filing. Most debtors can't argue they didn't know what collateral was covered.
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Astrid Bergström
This is why I hate equipment financing. Give me accounts receivable any day - at least those descriptions are straightforward under 9-505.
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Isabella Costa
•Equipment can be worse but accounts receivable have their own issues with notice requirements.
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Astrid Bergström
•True but at least you don't need serial numbers for every invoice.
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PixelPrincess
Check if your state has adopted any non-uniform amendments to 9-505. Some states have additional notice requirements that aren't in the model code.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•We're in Texas. Do they have special requirements?
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PixelPrincess
•Texas follows the standard UCC pretty closely but they're strict about the 10-day minimum notice period.
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Omar Farouk
•Texas courts also care a lot about whether the debtor actually received the notice, not just whether it was sent properly.
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Chloe Martin
Have you considered just starting over with a new notice that includes more detailed descriptions? Might be faster than fighting about the original one.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•We talked about that but our attorney thinks it would look like we're admitting the first notice was defective.
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Chloe Martin
•Sometimes admitting a mistake and fixing it is better than months of litigation while the collateral loses value.
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Diego Fernández
•Plus if you're in bankruptcy now, you might need court approval for any new foreclosure actions anyway.
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Anastasia Kuznetsov
The debtor's attorney is probably just buying time hoping you'll settle for less. Standard delay tactic with 9-505 challenges.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•That's what I'm thinking too. The equipment keeps depreciating while we argue about notice technicalities.
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Anastasia Kuznetsov
•Exactly. They know every month of delay costs you money in depreciation and storage.
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Eduardo Silva
Just wanted to follow up on the Certana.ai suggestion - it's not just for document comparison. You can also upload your foreclosure notice draft before sending it to catch description issues early. Might help avoid these challenges in future deals.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•That actually sounds useful for prevention. Do they handle other UCC compliance checks too?
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Eduardo Silva
•Yeah, they can verify debtor names match across all your UCC filings and loan documents. Really helpful for avoiding technical defects.
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Sean Fitzgerald
Whatever you do, document everything about your notice process. If this goes to trial, you'll need proof of when and how the notice was sent under 9-505.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•We have certified mail receipts and email delivery confirmations. Should that be enough?
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Sean Fitzgerald
•Should be, but also keep copies of exactly what was sent. Courts sometimes want to see the actual notice language.
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Malik Jenkins
•And make sure your proof of mailing shows it went to all required addresses under the UCC.
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Zara Khan
UCC 9-505 compliance is such a pain. We use templates now for every notice to avoid these issues but even then you get debtors claiming defects just to delay.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•Templates help but every deal has unique collateral descriptions that need customization.
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Zara Khan
•True, but at least the basic notice language stays consistent. That eliminates some potential challenges.
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