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CosmicCowboy

UCC-3 addendum attachment causing filing delays - need help

Running into problems with my UCC-3 addendum filing and wondering if anyone else has dealt with this. We're trying to add additional collateral to an existing UCC-1 that was filed about 18 months ago for a $285,000 equipment line. The original filing covered our main production equipment, but now we need to add some new machinery we just purchased. The issue is that when I prepare the UCC-3 addendum form, the Secretary of State portal keeps rejecting it saying there's insufficient space in the collateral description field for the additional items. I've tried abbreviating everything but it's still too long. The addendum checkbox is selected correctly and I'm referencing the original filing number. Has anyone successfully filed a UCC-3 addendum when you need to add a lot of new collateral items? Do I need to use continuation sheets or is there a better way to handle this? Our lender is getting impatient and I don't want to mess up the lien priority by doing this wrong.

I had the exact same problem last year! The character limits on those fields are ridiculous. What worked for me was using more generic collateral descriptions instead of listing every single piece of equipment. Instead of 'Model XYZ-2000 Industrial Lathe Serial #12345' I just put 'Industrial manufacturing equipment' and included the specific details in an attachment.

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Javier Cruz

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That's actually really smart. I always try to be super specific with serial numbers and everything but you're right that it's not always necessary for the UCC-3.

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CosmicCowboy

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Did you have any issues with your lender accepting the more generic descriptions? Mine is pretty particular about wanting serial numbers listed.

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Emma Thompson

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You might want to consider just filing a brand new UCC-1 for the additional collateral instead of trying to amend the existing one. Sometimes it's actually cleaner that way, especially if you're adding a significant amount of new equipment. The filing fees aren't that much different and you avoid all the character limit headaches.

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CosmicCowboy

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Wouldn't that create priority issues though? The original UCC-1 has an earlier date so I thought amending it would preserve that priority for all the collateral.

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Emma Thompson

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Actually no, when you file a UCC-3 addendum the new collateral only gets priority from the amendment date, not the original filing date. So filing a separate UCC-1 might not hurt your priority position.

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Malik Jackson

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Wait, is that right? I thought addendums related back to the original filing date for priority purposes. Now I'm confused.

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Before you file anything else, have you tried using one of those document verification tools? I recently started using Certana.ai for UCC filings and it caught a bunch of inconsistencies I would have missed. You can upload your UCC-3 draft and your original UCC-1 and it'll verify everything matches up properly - debtor names, filing numbers, all that stuff. Might save you from getting another rejection.

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CosmicCowboy

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I haven't heard of that before. How does it work exactly? Do you just upload the PDFs?

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Yeah exactly, just upload both documents and it does an automated cross-check. Really helpful for catching name mismatches and making sure all the technical stuff is consistent between filings.

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StarSurfer

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This is why I hate dealing with UCC filings. Every state has different rules and character limits and the portals are all garbage. I spent three hours last week trying to file a simple continuation and kept getting cryptic error messages.

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Tell me about it. And good luck getting anyone at the SOS office on the phone to actually help explain what the error means.

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Ravi Malhotra

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The worst is when they reject it for some technical reason but don't tell you exactly what's wrong. Just 'insufficient information provided' or something equally useless.

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I think you're overthinking this. Just break the collateral description into categories and use attachment sheets if needed. Most states allow unlimited attachments as long as you reference them properly in the main form. The key is making sure your debtor name matches exactly between the original UCC-1 and your UCC-3.

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CosmicCowboy

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Good point about the debtor name matching. I double-checked that but maybe I should triple-check. Even small differences in punctuation can cause problems right?

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Absolutely. Even something like 'Inc.' vs 'Incorporated' can trigger a rejection. The system is very literal about name matching.

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Omar Hassan

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Are you sure you need a UCC-3 addendum and not a UCC-3 amendment? I always get confused about when to use which one. Addendum is for adding collateral, amendment is for changing existing info, right?

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You're correct. Addendum adds new collateral, amendment changes or corrects existing information. Sounds like OP needs an addendum since they're adding new equipment.

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Omar Hassan

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Thanks, I can never keep those straight. The terminology is so confusing.

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Javier Cruz

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Don't feel bad, I've been doing this for years and still have to double-check which form to use sometimes.

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Whatever you do, don't let this drag out too long. If your original UCC-1 is approaching the 5-year mark you'll need to file a continuation statement too. Better to get the addendum sorted now rather than trying to do both at once.

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CosmicCowboy

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Good catch. The original filing is only 18 months old so I have time, but definitely something to keep in mind for the future.

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Diego Chavez

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Had a client run into this exact issue. We ended up calling the Secretary of State filing division directly and they walked us through the proper format for the addendum. Turns out we were including too much detail in fields that were meant to be more general. Sometimes a phone call saves hours of trial and error.

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CosmicCowboy

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That's a great idea. I didn't think about calling them directly. Did they actually pick up the phone or did you have to leave a message?

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Diego Chavez

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I got through after being on hold for about 20 minutes. The person was actually really helpful once I explained the situation.

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NeonNebula

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Just went through something similar and ended up using that Certana tool someone mentioned earlier. It definitely helped catch some formatting issues I wouldn't have noticed. The document checker flagged that my debtor entity name had a slight variation from the original UCC-1 that would have caused problems.

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CosmicCowboy

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That's exactly the kind of thing I'm worried about missing. I'll definitely check that out.

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Yeah it's really good at catching those subtle inconsistencies that cause rejections. Saves a lot of back-and-forth with the filing office.

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This might be a dumb question but are you sure the UCC-3 is the right approach? If you're adding substantial new collateral, your lender might prefer a new UCC-1 anyway for clean documentation. Might be worth asking them what they prefer before you spend more time wrestling with the addendum format.

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CosmicCowboy

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Actually that's not dumb at all. I just assumed amending was better but you're right that I should check with them first. They might have a preference I don't know about.

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Emma Thompson

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Some lenders definitely prefer separate filings for new collateral packages. Makes their internal tracking easier.

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Javier Cruz

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Update us when you get it figured out! I'm sure other people will run into the same character limit issues with addendums. Always helpful to know what actually works in practice vs what the instructions say.

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CosmicCowboy

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Will do! Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. Definitely gives me several options to try.

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I've dealt with this exact same issue multiple times! The character limits are incredibly frustrating. Here's what I've found works best: First, try using broader category descriptions like "Manufacturing Equipment" or "Production Machinery" instead of listing every serial number. Second, make sure you're using the attachment feature properly - most states allow you to reference "See Attachment A" in the collateral field and then include a detailed schedule as a separate page. Third, and this is crucial - verify that your debtor name matches EXACTLY with the original UCC-1, including all punctuation and spacing. Even tiny differences will cause rejections. I'd also recommend calling the Secretary of State's UCC division directly - they're usually more helpful than you'd expect and can tell you exactly what format they want. Don't let your lender pressure you into rushing this - it's better to get it right the first time than deal with priority issues later.

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